Looking at level 40 a pally on prot spec has access by wowhead for wrath to 16 possible buttons. While yes a optimal player will not use many in most cases but for a new player that is quite a bit to overwhelm you.
the orange lock parses in my guild are 95% shadow bolt lol. which keys are you hitting when u play destro
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He’s probably hitting the shadow bolt key too but throws in a curse or two to seem different from all the other shadow bolt locks.
I mean… he’s not wrong. Don’t like it? Leave. Good luck finding a new tank. Your ego is demanding he go super fast. Dps are a dime a dozen. You’re not special and can be replaced in thirty seconds.
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The tank role attracts a lot of 40-60 year old balding men.
They like to go slow and steady while being in charge of everybody else.
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Toxic af. Would add to ignore.
Whole party left, why bother running with a egotistical tank when you can just find a new party lol
Welcome to WoW. Tanks are the minority and they hold the power, you want a dungeon tanked your way you can tank it yourself.
It sounds like it’s you who has a big ego if you think you can tell the tank how he should do his tanking.
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Why didnt you just kick him and find another tank? I mean SM honestly can be tanked by just about any mail wearer, and there’s lots of tanks out there in LFG Honestly
And yet you literally made a post yesterday stating the new LFG tool is going to make you unsubscribe. And in that post you mention spending over and hour to find a group.
You’re all over the place.
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Ok you are obviously just a toxic player. Troll more dude.
I pull to match the dps and heals output and will continue as long as my cooldowns provide. Just because you have to wait 4 seconds while DnD comes off CD doesn’t make it the end of he world. Tap your WASD keys harder or bunny hop around like a moron some more.
They should be 100% shadowbolt though. Why are they only 95%?
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Are you in want of validation? Sorry, but I’m not going to cheer on someone who is making a tank, who is already stepping up and doing a hard job, feel bad about enjoying their game. You called them out (in party chat, I presume) and then left in the middle of the run. This isn’t retail, that behavior doesn’t belong here. As you said, it’s 15 year old content so why are you in such a rush?
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We used to have a prot warrior in our guild that was kinda like what OP described. Decent gear and played well but moved slower than the other tanks we usually run with in our raid scene.
One night we got him on disc and was chatting it up and found out the reason he is slow is because he has no use out of his left arm and has to use a foot peddle to game. The guy said he doesn’t like to talk about it because he thinks people would avoid taking him to runs. It was an eye opener for me because I never realized there are people battling disabilities playing the game.
After learning that bit of info I made sure that any time I could bring him to a raid I did because dealing with what he did just to play showed a greater level of skill than half my raid team.
How would you feel OP if it turned out that tank legit has some kind of disability that they struggle with and is afraid to talk about with strangers online but still wants to enjoy the hobby they love?
Maybe you should chill out in the casual content a bit because after reading your posts the only ego on display here is yours.
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The tank sets the pace generally. If they were not comfortable pulling more than one pack at a time thats their right. If you wanna pull the whole dungeon at once and wipe the group then roll a tank yourself. Otherwise learn some patience.
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You’re in the wrong. It’s a casual dungeon. Let the tank go at his own pace.
The only person that should feel free to tell a tank he can (not should or must) pull more is the healer. The healer will have the best idea how safe the pulls are.
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Then find another tank or tank yourself. This is complicated and deserving of a forum thread why?
You are a toxic player and were the problem in the group, I think the replies here by you are proof of that.
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How did he start an issue? He simply asked the tank to pull more because he believed that he could handle it. The tank freaked out on him for no good reason other than
me tank, me pull how many I want.
I don’t tank but I’d get very annoyed if a DPS pulled for me without me saying anything beforehand. People could die and then for some inexplicable reason blame the tank for not being ready. The only times I’ve done that as a DPS is when my friend is tanking and I ask him if he wants it.
This just sounds like tank sympathy to me. If someone asks to pick up the pace you don’t go off on them saying “I’m the tank, I set the pace of this dungeon.” it sounds so entitled.
Well he didn’t say that, a simple “I don’t trust myself with a pull that big” is all it’d take to get a point across.
It’s how you solve issues you have with things, you point them out and come to a solution. The tank obviously didn’t want a solution so he ignored the problem that being he and the rest of his party wanted him to pull more and had a power trip.
He’s not at fault for asking him to pull more.
best reply in the thread.
Im a tankplayer since the beginning, originally obviously as warrior, since TBC till now in classic TBC, wotlk prepatch phase as protpally.
- The Tank sets the pace, at least in unorganized content (dungeon without premade/voice).
This is actually based on how tank mechanics work in classic, and how they worked for most parts in WoW in general.
A tank often needs initial aggro, to place the mobs in a way that allows him to get more aggro, and thus the dps and heal to do their job without wiping.
Gameplay mechanics gave tanks more tools to handle more extensive pulls over time, but at the current state of the game, the protpally of your example still needs to have the initiative and set the pace, so that he can assure mobs run into concecration, which he absolutely relys on for aggro.
In some tank cases, like revenge warrior, getting aggro “stolen” at the start can even totally ruin your gameplay, and will definitly lead to an incredible decrease of overall group performance.
In a more controled environment, when people actually work together, often times the tank is a lot more open to get assisted in mass pulls by the dps.
Had a brd run yesterday on my boomie alt, and the tank explicitly asked for the group to pull more stuff, if we´re confident in handling the required aoe dps and healing output.
We had outrageously large pulls, like 7+ packs at once, and only wiped once. Also the general mood and communication was really good, which helps a lot.
There is one problem tho. I experienced it myself, as a tankplayer in the past.
If you get pampered by the community a lot, because you are in demand, then you tend to become… arrogant. The tank hubris.
Demanding people to bend to your will, even tho what you want may be unfair, or plain stupid.
I originally stopped tanking for Gold/disenchants in original WOTLK, but started again in classic TBC, because the amount of people searching for a tank with that conditions was so high, that i thought to myself “well, if they want to pay me that badly, why not”.
Another issue that i see alot, and also analyse in my own gameplay behaviour, is that as a tank, you have a very stubborn view on the game, due to how you play the game.
A good tank knows a lot more about the dungeon, then the average dps does.
Where are what mobs, which mob casts what, or casts at all, how to line of sight etc.
Being equiped with a lot of knowledge makes you a more competent leader, but it also makes you stubborn against alternatives, and less open to potential better solutions.
Also to the specific issue of the OP:
I sometimes play other classes and specs, and do not tank.
In those cases, in the majority of dungeon runs im deeply disagreeing with how the tank does his job.
If i look at the statistics of my main protpally (i have two^^), i see that ive done 1451 tracked dungeon runs in TBC Classic alone.
Obviously i have vast experience on every dungeon, most possible pull scenarios, how mobs interact with my defensive value etc.
But i dont interfere in the current tanks job at all, because that would make me … well toxic.
I can not force my understanding of the game on others. I would not want others to do the same to me.
The only exception to this rule is cases in which a tank starts to supremely micro manage everything, i literally can not stand this. (like marking every singular trashmob in a non dangerous trashpack, starting long explanation talks about how to handle the critter that might add, or refusing to do anything without the healer being at 101% mana, even tho the healer told him several times that unless he calls for a manabreak there is no need to even take care about his manapool at all=
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Depends on the situation.
I literally had situations where people wanted to “pick up the pace” even tho the pace was at the limit of what could be handled without actively risking wipes.
People sometimes can be very unreasonable.
A simple example out of my many memories:
Ramparts nhc farming for xp on my pally.
I pull at maximum speed, but i literally can not pull too much of the guys that stun me and enrage (i think they are called beastlords or whatnot, playing on german client, dunno their english name) because otherwise i will get stunned to much, and then die, because in combination with the mortal strike mobs no healer can heal that anymore.
Dps calls for “faster pace”.
I dont start an indepth explanation on the game mechanics, i just tell the dps “cant do faster, otherwise wipe, follow to pace or leave if unhappy” - because if i start writing up some wall of text like with my posts here, i
a) drop the pace
b) “punish” the rest of the group to lecture one player