Interesting that you go back to make that response to a prior point and not the further post I made.
With humans. And yet still went onward to fight and steal land.
After choosing to go somewhere they didn’t need to go after negligently not checking if anyone lived there. And have a lot of other options as to where they could go.
Technically we don’t know who struck first there.
It is when you don’t need to take it for survival with other viable options existing. A fabrication you’ve continually insisted on. Especially if the first option involves killing people.
More like that person has easy means to find a soup kitchen. But instead they start killing people for money to feed the family they let starve because they love crack.
Again, whataboutism. I’ve agreed the Trolls shouldn’t have attacked immediately. That doesn’t justify the High Elf actions. Though killing all the humans is speculative. They were left alone for a long, long time.
Because a group of refugees is generally not considered an invasion. And a cannibal tribe who also attack the humans (the true owners and natives of the land) probably aren’t the good guys.
So you are literally excusing the Horde in the Seoncd War. They were refugees too.
That’s not what the High elves where though.
Refuges don’t invade, take over land, kill the natives and drive them out.
Still waiting for an answer.
The only problem with the Amani empire were the Elves.
Had the Amani been open to dialogue we even have evidence that the Elves might have made an offer for the land, just like they offered the humans knowledge about magic in exchange for help, even though strategically, they probably could have gotten the help without offering them anything, since Thoradin was tired of Troll incursions, and wary of what the Amani would set their mind to after they wipe out Quel’Thalas.
We’ll never know because the damn Amani refused any kind of diplomacy at all.
That depends, generally when some one starts a war, the defender is not evil for counterattacking and taking ground in victorious combat.
The Amani attacked first, in the eastern fringes of Tirisfal most likely, land that is human land, and never made peace after, not even 7000 years later.
The Amani attacked first. In Tirisfal, human land, that the humans let the Elves stay in. How can the Elves be “invaders” to the Amani, if they weren’t in Amani land at the time of being attacked.
Troll land. And that’s proven wrong by Chronicles. The Amani left the Elves allone in Tirisfal.
The reason why the Elves left was because the C’thraxx dove them insane.
Perhaps that was the reason for their evil invasion too hm.
If I’m going to the U.S. kill Americans and take over. I’m an invader.
Humans have been in Tirisfal since before trolls existed, because the page about humans coming to be is before any mention about trolls coming to be, and the humans came to be in Tirisfal, and they were still there when the Elves arrived.
"Forging inland, the high elves founded a settlement within the tranquil Tirisfal Glades, co-living with the tribes of primitive humans who told them legends about Tyr. "
Chronicle I page 120. - “The arrival of the Highborne infuriated the trolls, who harbored a bitter hatred of elves from the days of Azshara. The Amani sent out raiding parties immediately.”
If the Elves landed in Tirisfal first, and the trolls sent out raiding parties immediately, then they raided the Elves in Tirisfal.
It seems Chronicle proves you wrong. “The arrival of the Highborne infuriated the trolls, who harbored a bitter hatred of elves from the days of Azshara. The Amani sent out raiding parties immediately” The Elves land in Tirisfal, and the Trolls send out raiding parties immediately.
Even that is rather speculative because we don’t have actual dates for when the humans settled there. Right at the end of that section it denotes the Trolls coming to power.
Read the context, this was after they left Tirisfal. It was their arrival away from their after they had crossed the mountains and arrived in the verdant woodlands. Not sure if you are being dishonest or genuinely misunderstand that section. It is literally in the paragraphs right above that quote. They had been traveling for over a month at minimum.
It was also part of the Amani empire on every map and every description of the Amani in Chronicles.
No they didn’t and you know it. The Elves lived for a long time in Tirisfall with no conflict.
The quote you are trying to misuse here is from way later on.
Nope, it proves you’re wrong and your defense of an invasion, that’s what it was is also wrong.
It was an evil act. Entering the Amanis domain is calling for defense of the Empire.
Ah yes disregard my prior post, I had skimmed to that part because I remembered reading “the trolls sent out raiding parties immediately” but had forgotten this takes place once the elves go on their journey north, not during their first arrival, my apologies.
However, that one line about the Amani attacking the Elves immediately because of a ancient racial grudge from the time of Azshara, kind of pokes holes in the “defense of land” argument.
The Amani remebered the Night Elves. They knew they had to die or fight. They knew they were invaded. They had to defend themselves.
You would say the Elves left them no other option.
The Elves did not explain they were no longer with Azshara. It perhaps could have avoided a lot of dead.
Aside from the invasion thing.
I’ve responded to your prior posts. You did literally skip over one of mine before, though.
I don’t see how. Their motivation doesn’t change that it was their land and the High Elves were on it. And it specifically says ‘their arrival’ infuriated the Trolls. Again, one wrong doesn’t justify multiple more.