It’s even there, once the trolls (The TROLLs), not the ZANDALARI, but the TROLLs; no longer a threat, it expanded further, even into the troll territories, because the trolls themselves were kept in check by the Zandalari, who in turn were told by Azshara what to do if they wanted to keep their sacred mountain.
and you even see…they abandoned land…the maps show it…proves it. If Azshara had a bad day…she could invade every trolltown expect zandalar, and nothing would happened beside the trolls would lost more land.
I still call you a liar.Because you lied, or you have fun twisting all your arguments yourself, but there is a lore answer to your “interpretation”. and this lore disagree with your statements
That quest is not given by an Ancient. It’s given by a Tauren Druid, not an Ancient. You also don’t kill a harpy! You kill…
And honestly, since the whole operation only required his feather to establish the link, killing him wasn’t even necessary. Rather excessive for the end goal of the quest.
You said, “Several times we have been asked to slaughter entire groups of those races for XYZ reasons, by the ancients themselves.” as evidence of how the Ancients favor Night Elves.
But what you meant to say was “Once, we were needlessly asked to kill the consort of an Ancient in order to contact said Ancient, by a Tauren Druid.”
And you accuse me of being dishonest.
I actually already quoted and linked that quest. Also not an Ancient. Just a Night Elf who is really racist against Harpies and is happy to finally have a reason to kill a bunch of Harpies that up until then, seemed to be coexisting rather peacefully.
Which is very different from “Several times we have been asked to slaughter entire groups of those races for XYZ reasons, by the ancients themselves.”
Also don’t leave! You’re pwning me so badly! I’m only this far from being butt devastated!
Yes, it was made with the Zandalari because they have influence over ALL tribes, meaning there was no need to negotiate an ultimatum with each tribe, it was enough to give the Zandalari an ultimatum and make sure they used their influence to keep the trolls small.
It does not mitigate the unreasonableness of the Highborne. It merely explains why they were acting unreasonable.
Because the context of this conversation was not “Why the Highborne are justified.” The context was “Why did the Highborne attack the Amani but didn’t attack the Humans?”
The answer to this question is that the Amani attacked the Highborne when the Humans did not.
Whatever shifting of the discussion to the projection of justification you keep making is not in line with the initial question posed.
That was someone trying to paint Manifest Destiny in a favorable light, which was frankly a disgusting point for anyone to try to make.
Troll fans do this as much as any other fans. The Trolls often engaged in intended genocide and conquest, but because Troll fans find the cultures of the Trolls interesting they downplay this through the use of acknowledgement, simply stating “I never denied the Trolls did this, too,” but not actually engaging in discussing that they did and do to keep focus on discussing anyone else her perpetrated this against the Trolls instead.
Dalaran was rather far removed from Lordaeron. I do not recall any lore mentions of High Elves living among the humans in Lordaeron’s capital or anywhere in Tirisfal later. At least not before Sylvanas came to reign as Banshee Queen.
If you’re talking about Stranglethorn, you’ll have to take that up with the Horde more than anyone. There aren’t really any Alliance groups setting up to live there.
Arathi both back in Cataclysm and BfA were both acts on the Horde to land grab over everyone out of Arathi, not just the Trolls there.
As far as the Alliance, they were just taking back what was historically theirs, same as you are defending the Trolls the right to do.
That it always seems justified, I can understand that it really sucks to say the least. However…we haven’t seen genocide live in all of WOW until Teldrassil happened, the last genocide that really got that name from Blizzard and didn’t get players to embrace it was WC3, in Lordaeron and Quel’Thalas.
That’s not true in any context. The Trolls were first (look at the map you posted).
The Amani did not attack the humans. They attacked only the Elves. The humans did fear an attack (reasonable, I would assume from a good leader). They recognized a threat in the Amani and agreed to join the Elves against the Amani.
Only during the war the humans could even build their cities in Arathi.
Over thousands of years, humanity flourished in the Eastern Kingdoms. This young race had originated from a group of vrkul who had settled in Tirisfal Glades. Although humans were diminished in size and strength from their progenitors, they possessed incredibly strong willpower and survival instincts.
Groups of hunter-gatherer humans proliferated throughout the forests and hillocks of the continent. As their society evolved and advanced, humans gathered in an array of different tribes. Each one practiced animistic beliefs–mainly crude forms of druidism and elemental shamanism. Despite the existance of Amani trolls, high elves, and other potential threats, humanity’s greatest adversary proved to be itself. The early tribes constantly warred with one another for land, and, by extension, power.
One tribe, the Arathi, came to realize the error of its ways. Over the span of a few decades, troll incursions into human territories had become more pronounced and ruthless. Something was changing among the brutish Amani to the north. The Arathi knew that if humankind remained divided, it would stand little chance against a true war with its moss-skinned foes. Lead by Warlord Thoradin, the tribe embarked on a campaign to bring its rivals under a single banner, whether by force or diplomacy.
The Arathi lived on the northeastern borders of the human lands and had a long history of skirmishes with the trolls. This experience had honed Thoradin into a master tactician and strategist. In the span of just six years, the warlord brought the other tribes to heel. He won a few of his adversaries to his side through political marriages. In other cases, Thoradin pitted his rivals against each other. On rare occasions, the canny warlord was forced to outright conquer some of the more belligerent tribes.
Much to the surprise of those he had defeated, Thoradin did not reign as a tyrant. He offered his former enemies peace and equality in what he claimed would be a glorious new human nation–a united kingdom of limitless potential. The tribal leaders would not fade into obscurity. They would server as honored generals. With these acts, Thoradin won the loyalty of his adversaries and was crowned king.
King Thoradin named his new kingdom Arathor. He tasked his most gifted builders with constructing a mighty capital called Strom southeast of Tirisfal Glades. The semiarid terrain around the city acted as the ideal buffer zone between humanity and the Amani, prohibiting the trolls from launching their much feared forest ambushes. Thoradin also ordered his people to build a great wall near the capital to further shield them from Amani incursions. Word of Strom’s might quickly spread among other disparate human tribes throughout the continent. Many flocked to the fortress for safety.
Just as Thoradin had expected, Amani trolls soon began encroaching on outlying lands controlled by the humans. The king dispatched two of his most prominent generals to gather intelligence on their enemies and waylay any of the brutes who strayed too deep into Arathor’s borders.
If you look at the maps again, the Night Elves took Tirisfal and Arathi from the Amani after the treaty with the Zandalari. For some reason the Night Elves left the Humans alone there.