You fail to understand that most players, even among raiders, won’t be progressing Mythic SoD. Which means their loot table is limited. Which also means they won’t be getting all 3 slots from the vault. M+ provides Heroic SoD equivalent gear, almost, with the option to upgrade to 246 which is above SoD and a guaranteed 252.
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Ya I guess I was meaning that if you’re clearing fast, then you’re getting the gear fast. But if you’re like most guilds, then you’re not clearing it quickly and instead you’re extending a lot.
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After 2 full months there are only 3100 guilds past 3/10 mythic for perspective.
So I would argue for the majority all that deep mythic raid 252 gear may as well not even exist.
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Guess I’m wrong even though I’ve never seen, nor can I find another outlaw rogue who has the opportunity to make this decision, making it. ¯_(ツ)_/¯
Damn I have missed using these memes!
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It’s good to know that you have no rebuttal because you’re unable to dispute facts. Just means I don’t have to waste my time with somebody as delusional as yourself. By all means take 45 minutes to post about how you “won” on the forums while not understanding the game 
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This is fun. Got anymore? I have had this bookmarked for years and there are plenty more flags to throw. Or you could try refuting a points I made. I was pretty clear about how I came to those conclusions. Why are you so afraid to refute them with facts and logic instead of rhetoric?
Are you implying renown 59 229 honor gear and 35k hp is remotely competitive against conquest 259 and 55k hp lol
LOL
my dude, you have no idea what you’re talking about.
no competent carry group is going to expect you to play along with them. in fact, having the buyer stay afk at the start is preferred, so they don’t get in the way.
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no, you can only upgrade purchased gear up to 246, which upgrades to 259 in pvp
yes, and there are like 5 “competent” carry providers to the 50 that aren’t what you are calling “competent.” If you have done the actual dungeons, you would understand that there really aren’t any mechanics that could get messed up just by having another body doing things wrong. Like Stitchflesh is one of the few you can cite. Yes, they can get the hook and not hit him.
And do you know how to get that gear upgraded? And do you know how tedious it is to cap 6k conquest at a rate of 25 conquest per 2s win while having 35k hp against 55k hp at 1800 cr because conquest gear is bad until 1800/2100 rating?
Vault is still very much so needed
I guarantee you there arent a lot of honor geared 229 ilvl people running around at 2100 rating for 259 gear
I’m just very confused by your statement if you’re saying alts can just skip getting vaults every week because they have access to 2100 259 gear instantly or something lol
1,4,10 is a ridiculous shift, from 2->3, especially given your only unlocking another gear option. The other 2 paths follow a far more linear progression of unlocking slots. 10 can very easily be a longer commitment, in a week, than a full clear of heroic once your guild finishes AotC progression.
Given heroic raid through dom sockets can give things equivalent to 252 M+ that shoots any argument that comparing length of a Mythic Raid clear to 3 slots M+, let alone the gear you get from the runs to unlock M+ gives lower item level gear than the vault, while raids give same gear level as the vault.
If you think carry groups expect people to partricipate, you simply don’t know what you’re talking about
maybe for 20s. but most people are buying 15s and they absolutely do not expect participation.
facts you make up are not actually facts, kellyanne.
and I’ll add - if you buy a 15 from a group that requires your participation, you got shafted.
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Raids have progressively harder bosses. Killing bosses 1-3 isn’t the same thing as bosses 1-9. Taragrue isn’t Painsmith or Fatescriber (and definitely not Sylvanas)
So, 5 slots from the raid being good at 239 makes arguments about needing mythic gear moot?
How about the other 10 slots from mythic+ that are > 239?
Also I see you slid in an assumption that the guild clear is a smooth farm guild run. That’s interesting. The same for farming keys then too right? Full easy access runs with guildies?
But hey, like I said it sounds like doing a quick 9 heroic bosses is fast and easy so just knock that out real quick.
you’re reading it wrong. since 9.1, the pvp gear, when you’re in pvp, upgrades to 259 ilvl. You don’t NEED vault gear because it just upgrades in pvp.
Because some best trinkets still drop from m+ and the only way to get those trinkets at 252 is doing 15s every week. Not to mention things like rings, neck, none-dom pieces can be used at 252 with the right Stats which you may not even able to obtain from raid. It might be slower but not doing 15s you are actively Gimping yourself as a pve player.
If you’re 2100 rating yeah, which is a very small amount of people lol
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As someone who does both mythic raiding and 15 plus keys I can tell you raiding is more time committing and harder than keys.
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He’s too focused on the high-end gear from Mythic raid and Gladiator status pvp gear. Most players will be hovering around the mid-tier Heroic raid/<15 M+.
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Hero of the alliance/horde which is 0.5% of the rbg bracket is current 2150 
so people arent even getting 2100 gear from rbgs efficiently
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3 pieces of loot that no one can use unless they’re literally brand new.