If you want dom sockets then raid.
You didn’t get tier sets in heroic 5 mans in earlier expansions.
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You’re making my point for me home-skillet. Raiding is the exclusive source of dom sockets. Therefore, that entire wall of text is invalid. gg, thanks for playing.
And raiding should be the only source of dom sockets.
To be fair I didn’t read his wall of text because wall of text.
Most of the time if I do read a wall of text it’s invalid anyways.
The amount of raiding you need to do to get enough currency to level those shards and reach that point, is substantially less than the amount of M+ you have to do to just get that same power level through item level.
Also I’m not buying what you’re selling that 13 item levels is the same as 5 or 6% dps.
you’re fair yo. The prog dry spell can be really bad, I went 40 weeks without a new mainhand in Classic from BWL phase to phase 6. I’m just talking about this like the people are clearing the content and getting the gear bar none, and that m+ has the least opportunities for max ilvl loot.
it takes 25 weeks to, as you should be doing with bis, go from 236 to 246 in all slots. say you never get bis from your weekly vault, you will be upgrading your gear from 236 to 246 for 25 WEEKS. that’s a whole patch, it’s not sustainable yo.
Because I like the content
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Let me look at my gear… Oh wait it’s 90% raid loot. Lets look at pretty much anybody else in my raid group… Wow! The same thing. It’s almost like M+ gearing is actually worthless outside of trinkets.
Just take the highest item level piece you are offered unless it is a really stupid good hard to get upgrade. Like a specific trinket or something. I learned that the hard way thinking “damn I should have taken xxx 2 weeks ago”
Honestly all gearing needs to be increased to somewhere between Shadowlands and BFA gear drop rates. As for patch 9.1 there still does need to be a token added to bonesmith that lets you add a dom socket to gear with how much power even the base shards give.
As for M+ itself the main thing that I think needs changed is to reduce the 3rd Vault slot to 8 runs. The 3rd Vault slot taking more runs than it takes to get the first 2 slots is just stupid.
The raid has been out for 2 months and only 102 US guilds have CE. And 306 guilds total that wowprogress tracks.
That takes being a bit more than “competent”
Meanwhile per raider.io over 900k unique characters have timed a +15 or higher so far in season 2.
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If the 3rd option for mythic+ giving 3 252 options is too much work just get 3 options from raiding real quick instead.
Tbh for me raiding feels kind of pointless now. Doing a bunch of 13+ Mythics is way more efficient for acquiring gear and can be done in a couple hours. Raiding its like, you spend the same amount of time dedicating yourself to wiping on maybe 4-6 bosses if you don’t have heroic on farm are progressing learning fights for weeks. Meanwhile people are climbing gearscore with higher mythic level gear in Mythic+ easy.
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Pretty much.
Domination gear (preferably tier sets) at least let’s the gear be somehow decent compared to how easy mythic+ gear is to acquire.
I’m more afraid of pugging normal fatescriber for 226 gear than a +15.
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those numbers aren’t exactly good, you need to know how buying mythic+ gear works. Most of them actually expect you to play along with them, which you can do like 2-3k dps overall, but still time because these are people that do it for work
EDIT: not talking about it not being easy. i actually was surprised by how easy 15s are since I have been pugging my way there since last patch of bfa, and yes they are pretty easy.
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i don’t know that i agree with your premise.
yes, if you’re farming 8/10M or beyond on a weekly basis, most of your loot is probably from raid. otherwise, m+ is quicker and (arguably) easier.
this char is 9/10H but does almost no keys, and is 236 ilvl. my resto shaman does keys but no raids, and is 247 ilvl (okay, 246.94…)
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Actually its 75% raid loot, excluding your legendary because it is neither raid nor M+ loot.
According to https://www.wowprogress.com/character/us/illidan/Bonézz and
https://www.wowprogress.com/guild/us/illidan/Hella+Light
you are the 449th ranked item level rogue in the 372nd ranked guild in the US, the 75th on the the best serve in the US, and you’re still sporting 3 pieces of M+ gear. While I don’t know rogues, I also suspect that in spite of the proc, that main hand would go for the first 252 you come across. Maybe the offhand too. You aren’t disproving what I’ve said, you’re proving it.
Maybe you missed this:
For science I picked out the rogue just above and below you on your server to see their gear:
https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/character/us/illidan/yellowr
Both his weapons are M+ he shares a lot of the early gear from raid, as I pointed out, becomes extremely common and over represented among raiders. Like you, using 3 pieces of M+ gear. 75% again.
https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/character/us/illidan/layeesha
Again both weapons and trinket are M+ gear. Pvp neck, which is weird. 7 pieces of non raid gear. About 40% raid gear.
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I guess the way I see it is this.
Option 1: Spend 8hrs a week downing 5 bosses if you’re a casual heroic prog guild for 5 chances at some loot.
Option 2: Spend 8hrs a week completing 8 dungeons with familiar mechanics at 13+ for a chance at garuanteed 16 pieces of loot split between only 5 people and higher item level than heroic gear.
Option 3: Do both
I’m not including PVP cause I don’t know much about gearing process there but from what I’ve seen those who do purely mythic+ are often highly geared more easier than those who raid or PVP. Mythic+ is easier to farm since mechanics don’t dramatically change and they’re more time efficient to begin and build a group for with garuanteed loot split among less players.
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Were people getting 3 slots of 252 from raiding in weeks 1 and 2? Nope.
I was full 236 by the end of week 2 from only M+. Currently 248, again, just from M+.
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It took you an hour to write this reply just for me to tell you that not only do you have no score but you’re also out here gray parsing. You know literally nothing about loot or how it works. Literally neither of my weapons would be replaced by a 252 weapon from the GV except for the respective 252 and 259 versions of themselves. The cloak I’m wearing also has the literal exact same stats as the cloak from Soulrender that half the group needed so I took it from the vault.
Your opinion on gear is the same as your skill level. Nonexistent. You’re just another bad player like half this thread that thinks ilvl = king and it’s just not true at all.
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i said it in a post earlier; the mid-level gear progression is faster, but that’s not the one that anyone really cares about. Yeah, great for alts, sure, but casual. The gear that actually matters comes in at the slowest rate and the lowest probability of actually producing a reward(246 to 252) for mythic+.