I reported him and moved on. What else is there to do?
I think you spend more time on the forums than most raiders in top 50, top 100 raiding guilds spend min/maxing. Just because you spend your time on the forums and we spend our time doing challenging content in game does not mean we don’t enjoy what we do, that we treat it like a job, or that we’re overzealous.
Keep your whinging to yourself.
Well, I consider myself casual and I don’t care, so much so that I’m going to be with Kirians and Night Fae, even if afterwards they are not so good for DPS.
Even though they are not good for DPS, at the time of the release of Shadowlands.
The only people I see looking forward to the future are the elitists who use DPS meters / raid io as a way of validating others around them.
It will be no different than excluding someone for not speaking English, being from Oceania or coming from Latam servers, as this is already happening now.
The difference will be that now elitists will be excluding, and being excluded, for choosing covenants different from others and that look good now but may suffer nerf at some point, and having to repeat the grind again for the pearl of the moment.
And I’m laughing at it all. 
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I care about having to roll 16 different characters to pick up all that sweet, sweet transmog.
Honestly, who cares about more borrowed power?
I don’t spend more time than others, so I don’t care.
Awesome, I agree.
But overzealous minmaxers, (not just all minmaxers like your desperate victim strategy is trying to pull) that would kick people for covenant choice, they’re who I’m talking about. You either are or aren’t.
I’m sorry you got mad against a completely neutral person, that’s an achievement.
But but but I used raider.io to say this isn’t a big deal imo. I do things wrong and still progress without issue. 
I think the issue with this is that different people qualify minmaxing in different ways. One person will say any use of a 3rd party app for simming is zealous minmaxing while another won’t. Is choosing a higher ilvl item over a lower one considered minmaxing? At what point does one cross the line into zealous minmaxing? That’s all subjective.
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So you will not suffer in advance for the future.
Congratulations!
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Yes, you’re right and have pointed out a place where my mind was closed. Thank you.
Define “casual”. I raid and do M+ from time to time. I don’t push Mythic b/c I don’t care to.
This is a MMORPG that is why I think our choices should matter. This has everything to do with the genre we all play in.
This isn’t a first person shooter. Play however you want to no one is stopping you. This mainly angers spreadsheet “optimal” play people.
This game isn’t balanced around the success of being optimal The “bring the player” mantra has been a thing for some time now. I want to say since MoP.
BFA has very little RPG elements that make it enjoyable. During Legion the story pushed my drive to “fight back the Legion” therefore my hunger to raid and do M+ was a bit higher back then.
So for some of us the RPG elements push us to do more content hence the reason we want our covenant choice to matter. If I could be a covenant jumper then whats the point of having a covenant at all?
Blizzard has already compromised so you can swap with a quest so I still don’t understand what all the fuss is about.
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If covenants have a big discrepancy - and right now some absolutely do - I would not invite you over someone with a better covenant all else being equal. There is nothing zealous about that, very little thought goes into it, and it doesn’t impact my enjoyment in a negative way to do so - it certainly wouldn’t make it feel like a job, actually probably the contrary since the better covenant will make my run more enjoyable and hopefully easier/quicker giving me more free time to do something else.
Playing with you on the other hand may eat up much more time in my day while you ignore efficiency and prioritize your time over the rest of the group. THAT sounds like work to me.
Anyway, All that darn min/maxing I did got me Cutting Edge and now i get to go be zealous and NOT enjoy the SL Beta. Darn.
Why do you care that I care about something you clearly don’t care about?
…care!
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This is fair, but something makes me doubt it would be that big of a deal, resulting in my stance.
Some of us have devoted ourselves to not caring. We care too much about our cause to not care about caring. :\
I am casual and would rather powers not be attached to Covenants. I feel there is a enough of a choice there in look and feel of the covenants. Plus the types of weekly quests available. Power doesn’t need to be attached to make it feel like an important decision.
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I’m fine with the covenant system. They’re additions to character flavor. If we could just swap between them freely, it wouldn’t really be character flavor. I’m making a statement about my character by choosing night fae and not one of the other covenants; that he’s a mage that respects nature and that he has a philosophical disagreement with how the other covenants function.
When you’re sitting there at the D&D table, and your gruff melee fighter character is suddenly faced with a diplomatic scenario, do you ask the DM if you can completely reroll your stats and feats for that encounter? Or do you accept that you might have some limitation in that one instance?
We should have to make hard choices.
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Especially if they are shadow priests.
As a 40-year D&D veteran, I think people saying that covenants restrictions somehow “promote rpg elements” are full of it.
Here’s what tabletop RPG’s are about:
- Playing with friends.
- Building a story and participating in a narrative.
- Overcoming unique challenges specially tailored to your group.
- Exercising your creativity.
Here’s what RPG’s have never been about:
- Arbitrary restrictions on what you can do.
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No character has ever been able to do everything. Without a lot of DM fiat there are limitations to how you can build a character.
Hey guess what, even if I could flip between Covenants, my Guardian Druid still couldn’t do everything.
Try again.
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