Maybe a lot of the forum casual players care about this issue. But they’re just a small part of the overall casual player base of the game. I’d guess that the majority of casual players don’t really care. I could care less if Blizzard allows players to switch their Covenant every second. I don’t care.
No it shouldn’t.
Good opinion though.
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Honestly, the fact that I don’t care about covenants doesn’t invalidate the feelings of those who do care. I really don’t understand folks who think if something doesn’t matter to them, other people shouldn’t care or complain about it.
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That’s a fact.
If you wouldn’t deny someone for covenant choice in a group, you’re not who I’m talking about.
Because min maxers don’t need everything designed around them and I just want to see them have no choice but to deal with it, hopefully blizzard makes following metas as difficult and hard as they possibly can so all those top end people who stream have to enjoy grinding instead of milking easy stuff for “content”.
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BTW this convenant design isn’t for the RPG aspect. It’s to muddy the waters and implement as much RNG as possible to make it nearly impossible to track how skilled players are to “in theory” give them access to higher content they don’t deserve to be in. The fact is players who suck will still be outed and this just harms the WoW Esports Blizzard is trying to push. Casuals and elites alike will be harmed by this stupidity.
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Because I want more RPG elements in this mmoRPG.
Look at other RPGs, where you have to make a choice between two factions. There is no switching between factions once you’ve made that choice. You are locked in, and not just some kinds of power progression but entire story lines may be locked out for you. Pick the Vampires in Skyrim, and you don’t get to just change over to the Werewolves later because the meta is better.
Choices should matter. Choices should have consequences. You go left, you can’t also go right. Maybe that means you have to do another playthrough to see what the other path had, but those choices are part of what makes a roleplaying game a roleplaying game. Too many people get caught up in the MMO, and they lose sight of the RPG.
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I’d also guess that a lot of the forum casual players don’t really care. They just pretend to care because they like to stick it to the hardcore min maxers. It brings them joy to see the hardcore players get all bent out of shape over a video game.
No, it’s not a fact. And entirely depending on how balanced covenants are, if there is a ~30% Delta between the abilities there is nothing wrong with wanting the covenant that increases your win condition the most.
You sound spiteful and petty for no reason. Nobody is telling you to min/max if you don’t want to. Take off the clown shoes. Quit labelling people who don’t want to be stuck in the easiest game modes and quit pretending like they do all these unenjoyable things to get there.
Believe it or not we don’t sacrifice our newborns for a 1% DPS increase. We just enjoy the game and do harder content because difficulty is what we enjoy, and min/maxing is part of the problem solving.
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Yeah I definitely view it by how much you play. I mean thats really what this game revolves around at the end of the day; its a time sink through and through. And most of the time time played means that persons toons have progressed more, not always, most of the time though.
I feel like I’m casual. I like the freedom of switching talents, essences, specs and so on. I’d personally like the freedom to swap covenant abilities and such on a whim. It’s all about the freedom to do what I want when I feel like it. The faction and class restrictions are engrained in the game so I’m used to it already. I’d opt out of adding more restrictions. I’ve heard the other point of view and I’m not going to complain anymore if I cant switch. Those that want restrictions find that fun for the game. I’m not here to get in the way of someone else’s fun even if it means I have to sacrifice a little bit.
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But even if there’s a minimal difference between the covenants, what’s to say that min/maxers simply won’t find something else to confirm their biases and thus try to set another meta?
It’s dishonest to say that everything’s going to change if the abilities are talented. It’s the same dead horse people like Preach beat over and over, it’s just the breed is different.
Doubt.
Nobody cared about Azerite.
I am not filled with emotion at this time, and what I said was a fact. People who enjoy zealously minmaxing just treat the game like a job.
Ah, you should have no problem accepting covenants as they are.
I don’t care about the covenant system. I plan on doing as little with the covenant system as feasibly possible. It is the same type of inflexible, shallow, temporary-to-the-point-of-being completely-disposable “fantasy” that I disliked being stuck with in Legion with artifact weapons.
I will not be denying anybody entry into any content because of their covenant choice because I simply cannot bother to give a crap what any of you are doing.
Who cares what they do? Is insulting them before they do discriminate over “minimal differences” if they end up being minimal a good idea?
And if they do, why would you want to play with them anyway? If you don’t want to play with them, why worry about who they invite to their groups? Nobody is forcing you to try and get in with them
That’s a fair point. TBH, I like the restrictions for the opposite reason. I tend to have a favorite playstyle, and I don’t want to feel pressure to switch talents to adjust to what someone else prefers/is technically better. Right now, there are fun talents I can’t even consider using because of the option to use better right beside it.
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So you’re just preemptively insulting people before even getting declined?
No, people who min/max do not treat this like a job. I am sorry copy pasting some text into raid bots is as difficult as a job for you… but that is an indictment on you, not me.
I don’t know what kind of emotion you’re trying to add into this, I want a productive conversation. I’ll wait for the next post without vitriol.
You don’t want anything productive when you begin your statement with saying minmaxers are obsessive, treat the game like a job, and imply they don’t enjoy the game.
I said the zealous ones are, yes.