Why do casuals care?

I’m pretty casual now, and the only thing that bugs me is the fact that Blizzard simply keeps making the same mistakes over and over. Ultimately I’m going with a covenant that is appropriate to each of my characters. But it irks me that they seem to make these unbalances on purpose, without any real thought put into them as to how they will be chosen in practice.

And I get their point. They want people to play this game as if it were an RPG. Where these are decisions a real person would make. This is the afterlife and each covenant is something dedicated to the guidance of a soul’s redemption. So hopping back and forth makes no sense. Like normally, a soul wouldn’t even have the choice. It would be based on how they lived. And I think they want us to choose them the same way. Like your character is drawn to the covenant on a spiritual level.

But they tend to forget how tone-deaf their player base can be, and how lazy and how desperate for any kind of edge they can get.

I’m fine with a permanent choice, as long as I can thoroughly research what that choice entails.

Of course, I haven’t experienced the system yet, so I have no idea how well it will work.

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Please don’t =/ Already got enough of them saying the only reason want that is because of people like yourself. All you are doing is making it hard on others with actual valid reasons.

against the evil cthulu tho.
So.
Make huggies and work together.
aka against the jailer it makes sense.

so long as there’s a option most would be fine with this.
right now we are being told to un sub if we don’t like it.

Ya, I apologize for that.

I think there can be a nice compromise between switching between the covenants whenever you want, and still having the choice be inpactful.

Making the choice impactful would be like… well, you still need to be nice with everyone, so… you have to do 4x the work.

Does… does that sound like a good compromise? And maybe even some kind of minor penalty, like if you go from Fae to Maldraxxus (if they are indeed kind of warring with eachother, that is) then you lose some standing with the Fae rep wise?

Idk. I still want the choice to be important story wise, and I think there can be a kind of compromise now that I’m exploring and seeing more options.

And like I said, while you’re championing a particular covenant, even if you’re nice with the others, you don’t get to use the tmogs/titles/mounts/whatever else of the other others.

how many raid tier are all your changes gonna cost

perfeclty fine.
Even the neutral ability can be up for grabs. like flesh shape or door of shadows.
not having access to that might be a complex choice.

that’s getting tricky. losing something is the key issue with allot of us. although it isn’t as harsh as it currently is via the quest… its still a punishment for playing the game.
anyways. I’m going to bed. wish you all the best.
these threads get me heated and Its never healthy for a conversation.

I’ve proposed (and seen others propose) making covenants like the Nazjatar follower system, where each covenant can be leveled in parallel and you either choose your covenant for the day OR allowing a limited number of swaps per day in cities, among several other possibilities. Nobody wants to talk about that though, it’s either total free reign or nothing.

Ya, I think people get a little too passionate…

But I think if they just sat down and actually talked to each other, and were open to actually forming compromise, then it’s be set. But… eh.

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Honestly don’t matter what compromise we come up with tbh. Blizzard will try a list of options, if nobody likes those options then they will just cave to the whiny voices.

sorta like covenants. i think you understand the RPG element blizzard is adamant about keeping.

To answer the question,it’s because people want to enjoy the entirety of what the game has to offer be it casual,moderate or hardcore. People want different means to be able to progress and enjoy endgame content without worry of being stuck in a cliquey guild that has a server monopoly or a guild that just spams invites and does nothing with its fellow members. They want to progress without worry of being declined for picking an enjoyable covenant over the factory streamlined one because some mouthpiece on Twitch or youtube says any other one to pick is wrong.

Kinda no point in implementing options if people only see one correct way to approach content. It’s not necessarily that they’re “Ralphs” per say,more that they just want to be able to enjoy the game they paid for fully and progress without worry of roadblocks for not boxing themselves into a covenent,race,class,spec,etc that aren’t their personal preference,no more no less.

I don’t care about something but I will make a forum post about it.

why do elite raiders care so much…and why do they think the game revovles around them when they are about 1% of the population that plays the game

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Except thats a Single Player game.

VASTLY different.

Anyone playing enough to be comfortable leading their own group is most definitely not a casual. I’m the filthiest of casuals and I neither want to lead my own group nor do I think anyone should be subjected to that fate. However I would also like to think I might have the option to try to get into an appropriate level group without having to completely change how I play the game, asthetics wise. :see_no_evil::speak_no_evil::hear_no_evil:

Because we need more RPG aspects in this mmoRPG. If you want a game where you can log in, do whatever kind of content you want without any character progression at all, then log out until next time then Fortnite and Call of Duty is waiting on you.

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Umm catering to causuals destroyed the game. Not catering to Hardcores.

See but thats where you have this backwards. Its an MMOrpg, not an mmoRPG.

Your idea of RPG that your pushing is for SINGLE player games, which this is NOT.

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Cool. Capitalize any letters you want. It’s still an MMORPG.

Incorrect.

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