There’s a joke here and if I wasn’t so tired I’d actually post it. You’re a worgen, unlick foxes…
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Where? Says who? Because they both look exactly the same except one has green and gold eyes and one has blue and should have gold as well since they’re still connected to the sunwell just like their blood elf kin.
No, I’m pointing out the lore of the game itself. Humans saying “We’re renaming ourselves to treants because we love nature maaan” doesn’t make them a new race.
Yeah, 10,000 years apart is just SO recent…you know a year is 360 days, right?
Void elves are just horde blood elfs, a very poor attempt to appease to alliance wanting high elves because giving blood elves to the alliance but changing their eye color to blue and calling it a new race would be even lazier than what they did with void elves.
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It’s been laid out over the last decade.
Looking the same doesn’t make them the same. Just because Lordaeronian humans and Stormwindian humans look the same doesn’t mean they don’t have distinct nationalities.
Same applies to the high elves and their separate groups.
The request for HIgh Elves is not to “give blood elves to the Alliance”. High Elves have been a part of the Alliance since the beginning of WoW. Players who continue to fail at understanding the request for what it actually is are the reason why this won’t be settled.
High Elves were part of the Alliance before Blood Elves were ever in the Horde. In BC, the complaint was “why are you giving an alliance race to the Horde?”. It’s a complete inverse to the way you, and players like you, try to frame it.
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yes but defias humans and stormwind humans are the same despite the fact that one isn’t part of the alliance and wears red.
much like high elves and blood elves
Agreed.
It’s almost as if their loyalties are more important to what defines them than their biological similarities.
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This is a rational and proportional response to the topic.
Like…? What notable changes are their? 'Cause every pro helfer for the alliance I always see says things like “Well maybe tattoos! Maybe hair styles!” or a bunch of other things that do NOT make a race unique or “different”
Yes but they’re still the same exact race. Humans. Unless you’re saying the alliance wants lordaeronian humans as an allied race now…
You’re right. High elves and blood elves are exactly the same except a different name…
So what would be different about them, then? Aside from blood elves with blue eyes and a different name?
The race officially left the alliance already, though.
I 100% understand. You want a race that looks exactly like blood elves but has blue eyes and is called high elves on the alliance. I think that’s stupid and wrong and shouldn’t happen.
A better request to me would be “Make blood elves switch factions, they should have never been on the horde in the first place”
The high elf for alliance request acting like they’d be some unique allied race is so pathetic. It’d be like the horde saying “Yeah we don’t want undead humans, we want real living humans! They deserve to be on the horde! Remember that one human that let the orcs pass through the mountains and attack lorderon? He’s basically a horde human!”
Yeah. That was also when the night elves kicked them out of their homelands because they wouldn’t stop using magic…and then when the alliance forced them to train humans to use magic and then used them as cannon fodder, also refusing to help them when they got attacked.
Which is what should be being requested now… not “Well just copy the blood elves to the alliance and give them blue eyes and say they’re high elves”
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you misunderstand me, defias are culturally identical to stormwind because they are a rebel faction of stormwind.
high elves are as close to blood elves as defias are to stormwind, the difference is that instead of being an independent faction they are allied with the alliance and dalaran
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You’re very insistent on their physical attributes.
Nightborne and Night Elves are the same race. Blood Elves and Void Elves are the same race. What is your point?
The Silver Covenent is still part of the Alliance. Alleria Windrunner is part of the Alliance. Vareesa Windrunner is part of the Alliance.
If you still believe that Alliance requesting High Elves is to “Give Blood Elves to the Alliance”, then you don’t.
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So I’m right? You want literally blue eye’d blood elves on the alliance because “Silver covenant tho!”
Nightborn actually look different from night elves. Void elves are literally just blood elves with blue skin and dyed hair.
That’s fine, doesn’t justify giving the alliance a horde race with blue eyes though.
I already asked you then what is the difference? You literally said “all you care about is physical attributes” because uh…yeah? If there’s no physical attribute difference, for all intents and purposes it’s blue eye’d blood elves on the alliance.
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No, I’m pointing out where your priorities are. I don’t think surface traits are what define a race.
Like I said, I don’t think surface traits are the most improtant thing that defines a race.
You said the High Elves left the Alliance. I gave you examples of why that’s not true. I was just pointing out that you were wrong to say they’re not in the Alliance.
Blood Elves are on the Horde. The Alliance are not asking for Blood Elves, they’re asking to play as an elf that is the member of their faction. If you can’t see that as something other than a ‘blue-eyed blood elf’, then that’s your stick in the mud.
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They’ve already crossed the neutrality bridge with pandaren. They can’t just wish a whole expansion away no matter how inconvenient it is. Who’s to say the high elves haven’t been doing their own thing since the end of the third war?
I can also call blood elves green eyed high elves, but they’re obviously much more than that at this point.
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I and blizzard definitely do. Their stance has always strongly leaned towards physical appearances defining a playable race.
Blizzard does and It’s their game.
As a whole they did leave the alliance. They joined the horde. A small amount of stragglers are on the alliance, big woop.
Which looks exactly like a blood elf.
Because It’s not. They were separate for less than 30 years. To say “It’s a completely different race” physically is wrong and in every other aspect as well.
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Word? What’s your source? Show me where Blizzard has stated this.
“As a whole”, except their major leaders and military body. Gotcha.
I never said they were physically different.
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Blizzard has always said it throughout interviews. They’ve always stated they want players to be able to see a race and even clad in armor be able to tell “Oh that’s a horde race” or “Oh that’s an alliance race” it’s why all the races have unique dances.
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Then it should be easy to find.
You haven’t proven a contradiction, although I’m sure you think that’s a real zinger.
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Yep, have fun.
No, I just think your whole point is the exact opposite of my opinion, which is fine but don’t try and pretend it is.
High elves on the alliance would literally just be blue eye’d blood elves.
Pandaren refute that point. Orcs and Mag’har are also physiologically the same race, with different stories.
That’s not how proving your point works. You assert it, you prove it. If you don’t prove it, it can be dismissed.
I’ll bite though:
WHen players say “Blood Elf”, they’re deliberately invoking the race that’s been on the Horde for a decade. You are trying to frame this as something being taken from the Horde, and you’re wrong.
Asking for a High Elf on the Alliance is not asking for Blood Elves to leave the Horde and join the Alliance. It’s a request for an elf that already exists on the Alliance to be available to players. The fact that they are physically the same is a consequence of two different groups with two different sets of loyalities.
That is not an attempt to say they’re physically different. It’s an admission that they ARE physically the same, but are ideologically distinct. That matters.
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It’s easy to say high elves have no lore when blood elves control the kingdom, but all the other allied races pretty much live on the edge of existence already with no large amount of backstory compared to the core races, the Kul Tirans and Zandalari less so.
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