valeera, not vareesa.
confusing i know
Probably because both sunreavers and silver convenant have been fighting eachother since wrath.
The silverconvenant are considered traitors they sided and left with vareesa/alleria who joined the alliance and went to outlands,they could have reconciled; but alleria and the sunwell happened.
It’s doubtful any of their followers would rejoin with out them they don’t have any faith in the current regent as they have been in exile and at war with the very same regent the entire time.
Why, why do that?
i dunno, ask blizzard
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If it doesn’t matter then why does blizzard keep adding high elf npcs to the alliance? If it doesn’t matter then why not just add it instead of stupid instantly made-up blueberry elves?
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You shifted goalposts when we spent this whole time talking about identical models, and after pointing out that the models are already on both sides, suddenly the TEXTURES became important.
That’s exactly what I said.
It’s a pretty awful one. It’s not disputable that High Elves are an iconic Alliance race because of their history in the Second War and the fact the Silver Covenant still maintain that. Like it or not, the Quel’dorei are a part of the Alliance fantasy, and telling Alliance players that they should go play Horde instead when the expansion focuses on faction identity and pride is a cop out.
Lor’themar Theron leads the Blood Elves. The Blood Elves do not consider themselves High Elves. Vareesa Windrunner and Aleric Sunchase are listed as the racial leaders of the High Elves since Alleria is listed as leader of the Void Elves.
FWIW, Gelbin Mekkatorque is leader of both the Gnomes and Mecha-Gnomes. A strong case can be made that Alleria also leads the remnant High Elves.
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I’ve mentioned both times that you said you were fine with them looking exactly identical in every way and the only difference is political, though…how is that shifting the goal posts? To me it seems more like you failed to understand / read what we were discussing.
No It’s not, I re-quoted you. Stop lying.
You didn’t say some, you didn’t say if they are the option to be playable should be there. You said “ALL politically-aligned races should be playable.”
As I said, if you miss spoke you can just say that, you’ve done it a plethora of times in our talk. No need to lie.
They WERE a part of alliance fantasy, things in games change. To cling to something that the developers have already pointed out isn’t going to happen because it was like that in the past and say “It’s not fair!” is childish.
He was also the last leader of the high elves.
Thanks for the random fact of the day?
Anywhere officially?
A stronger case then that Lor’themar Theron is still the leader of the high elves and the blood elves if you want to say that, which imo he is.
Ironically, the Alliance allied races are pretty awesome. (Looking at you, KulTiran and Dark Iron Dwarf)
The alliance simply don’t appreciate what they’ve got.
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Kul’tirans and Dark Iron dwarves were good Allied races, sadly they were the only two good ones, the other three were lazy, pulled out of nowhere and had almost no thought put into them.
Says the horde player…
I know this anecdotal but I see so many more core races and the very few and far between ARs while out and about in the world. The core races of the alliance are awesome, theee are a few good ARs.
But remember the grass is always greener on the other side.
we’ll see about that when the next election comes up.
king of the gnomes indeed
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Because this whole time you kept talking about ‘models’, and after i pointed out that the model is already on the Alliance, suddenly textures became just as important.
Yes, I said that.
You claimed I said:
And that’s NOT what I said. I never said factions can’t have allies if they’re not playable.
The Alliance and Horde both have a part of the High Elf fantasy. It doesn’t belong to just one faction.
Kael’thas Sunstrider was the least leader of the High Elves. Lor’themar Theron was the last High Elf Ranger General before they decided to stop calling themselves High Elves. Lor’themar Theron was only Regent Lord after they decided to stop calling themselves High Elves.
It’s worth bringing up, isn’t it? The player base and developers are insisting that a race that no longer calls themselves the High Elves or Quel’dorei are, in fact, High Elves or Quel’dorei. Seems like the players have forgotten that.
The WoWPedia article. Vereesa Windrunner is the de facto leader of the High Elves and Aleric Sunchaser is designated a representative of the High Elves during a Sunwell scenario.
Not actually. Prince Erazmin asked Gelbin to lead. To apply to the elves, Vareesa would have to offer leadership to Lor’themar, and that hasn’t happened.
Gelbin’s one of the only faction leaders in BfA with a story that wasn’t dumb or failed to deliver. Careful what you wish for, he’s great.
I was wondering if Ralph was going to come into this thread to virtue signal the cause of people not wanting pale-skinned blue-eyed characters.
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I don’t care, but I’m ready to eyeroll so hard on my BE paladin on any Blue Eyed Blood Elf that claims to be “Uncorrupted” and “Pure.”
I fear for the BE identity because the blood elves that will try to sweep all the questionable choices BE proudly made in order to survive. BE’s got radiation poisoning rebuilding their civilization, and I fear for the BE’s that will use the blue eyes as an excuse to say they were always “pure.”
I could not care less about the opinion of the alliance on Blood Elves, but as a BE main, I’m really wary about this.
Well it’s up to the players whether their blood elf is “pure” or not. The whole point of these new customizations is to reflect the different choices members of their race might have made. Perhaps you are a High elf who’s repatriated back to Quel’thalas, or maybe you were a Blood Elf who returned home after the Fel crystals were removed from the city, or perhaps you were once corrupted and the Sunwell cleansed you. There are so many possibilities.
Wanting to claim that your Blood elf wasn’t involved in some of the questionable choices other members of your race made doesn’t threaten the Blood elf identity. Those were not our character’s choices, and the game has always been careful to point out the duality and internal conflict that revolved these decisions. And it’s always a “feels bad” moment when the decisions of the few are somehow reflected on our characters against our will.
The wonder of it all is now we have the option to choose who we are, and what choices we made.
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NPC’s have always looked different from player models. See the Nightborne for example.
https://i.imgur.com/U1cGmmB.jpg?fb
Sorry but those Blue Eyes that were datamined are for player Blood Elves.
And that’s the point from an in universe perspective. Me as a player I’m all for more character customization, but from my BE’s perspective, they would absolutely not like a BE that was all “no I actually opted out of being fel irradiated and I am PURE” it would feel self righteous and looking down on them.
The point is that doesn’t threaten my blood elves identity, the problem is that there WILL be blood elven players that WILL portray themselves as superior for being “uncorrupted and pure” and never got those icky green eyes.
I’m not talking about the person that just likes blue eyes or has a reason for their BE having blue eyes, i’m talking about the ones that will portray it as a sign of superiority. Blood elf players thinking they are “better” than other blood elves, that’s the mindset I am wary of.
Blue eyes are dumb, now green eyes coupled with red skin on a Draenei…
Honestly, the sooner you accept BE’s are getting blue eyes, the better. I mean maybe they won’t who knows -since the files are assumed to be for BE’s- but then you will get a nice surprise if it isn’t the case!
That’s certainly a possibility, but Blood elves disagree on many things, and even on occasion dislike each other for far more serious matters despite being on the same faction. The Magisters and the Farstriders do not like each other at all instance, and do not share many ideals and ethics the other does, but that is a far cry from saying they not all allies.
And that’s their choice, as it was always a reasonable possibility that some Blood elves may have avoided corruption by some means and still ended up joining the Blood elves ( As I’ve been saying for quite some time now. ) This has nothing to do with the Blood elf identity as a whole, but rather a players ability to choose their character’s identity.
I mean that would make them a pretty vain, and self-righteous blood elf, which isn’t really out of the realm of possibilities. Just look at the way many Blood elves refer to the Farstriders elves. If anything it makes the population more diverse.