Never have I said that mine were the match of the master’s. I am but Ernie before his Willy Wonka.
Okay so, here’s the thing.
High Elves have been in demand as an Alliance race since the beginning of WoW. Since Warcraft 2 they’ve been a part of the Alliance. Demands for them to be added to the game as an Alliance race have existed since Vanilla, but they really picked up in Burning Crusade (when Blood Elves joined the Horde).
But Blizzard has been extremely resistant to every attempt to get High Elves, a core part of the Alliance, to join the Alliance, and they’ve used extremely poor arguments to defend their resistance as well. The first one was ‘faction confusion’ because Blood Elves and High Elves are identical. And that argument would have actually held water… if it didn’t get used after Pandaren were added to the game. No one confuses Alliance and Horde Pandaren, no one. So why would anyone do the same for Elves? They wouldn’t.
Then the argument was surrounding lore and race population. Can’t give High Elves to the Alliance, there aren’t enough High Elves left to support the race, which again, would have held water… If they weren’t releasing Allied Races at the same time, several of which have extremely small populations like the Mag’har Orcs, Vulpera, Void Elves and Lightforged Draenei. It especially stung when Blizzard gave us Void Elves, because not only were they not asked for by anyone, but the lore behind them was that they were exiled students of a single Blood Elf teacher.
Unless that teacher taught thousands of elves, the population of Void Elves would actually be smaller than High Elves. If there’s enough of a population to support them, there should definitely be enough to support High Elves.
Basically every time Blizzard has made an excuse rejecting the addition of High Elves. It’s a fresh wound that hits at a very passionate part of the Warcraft community that really wants to play High Elves as an Alliance race. So this customization option for Blood Elves? If it goes live and the Alliance don’t get a Void Elf customization that gives them a similar appearance? That’s not just Blizzard opening a fresh wound. That’s Blizzard opening all the wounds and dumping a bucket of salt on them.
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I’m not arguing semantics, I’m arguing lore.
Still lore.
Lore.
I’ve said several times that there are no Blood Elves on the Alliance. Just because they look physicall identical doesn’t mean they are “blood elves on the Alliance”.
High Elves are already on the Alliance. You’re just talking about the playable model, I’m talking about lore.
Horde and Alliance are not only the character models on each side. The Pandaren model is on each side. Blood Elves and Void Elves have the same model. What’s your point?
But it did happen, so now it doesn’t matter if you think the Blood Elf model is Horde-only, because it no longer is.
The Blood Elf model wasn’t stolen. Before the Blood Elf model, the only elf model they had was the Night Elf model. That model was used for all elves, including Sylvanas. No one cried about how the Horde was stealing something from the Alliance because Sylvanas had an Alliance model.
When Blood Elves were introduced, several HIgh Elf NPCs that were not in the Horde were given the Blood Elf model. Was that stealing from the Horde, too? In Wrath, ALL High Elf NPCs were given the Blood Elf model. Was that stealing from the Horde?
It wasn’t, but you can pretend otherwise. Models get shared outside of the faction. It doesn’t suddenly become sacred ground that can’t be tread upon just because they become playable. The story trumps the models.
But it did happen. Welcome to precedent.
I can say you’re wrong about several things you’ve been wrong about:
- The High Elves aren’t in the Alliance
- High Elves are only a Horde race
- The Alliance “stole” a Horde race when they got Void Elves
- High Elves would just be “blue blood elves”
The problem is that you see this only as a gameplay issue where only the character models define what faction you’re in, and you’re dead wrong. The factions are about the characters, their values, and the stories that are told.
People who want High Elves are seeing it as a lore and story issue, and until you’re willing to see the request for what it is, you’re never going to understand why they’re making it at all, and why this topic is going to stick around. You’re being dismissive, and you’re ignoring that just because the blood elf model has been used for a Horde playable race, it doesn’t mean only the Horde gets to use it.
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Nope. Your opinion is bad and I highly disagree. Also, that’s my opinion. You can disagree with it, but It’s not wrong. Don’t be so immature.
Because even when Blizzard says “We’re not adding them to the alliance, they’re already on the horde. If you want to play them, you’ll have to play them as horde” and the alliance refuses to accept what the top authority on the game says. They’re delusional, it’s proven time and time again any time they discuss the topic 
It is unfortunate that you reverted into denying the game’s lore. I’m afraid any further conversation is one sided and unproductive, as there’s only going to be me repeating the lore that you’re denying.
The issue is that the high elves were a core part of the Alliance back to the original Warcraft days, and are a significant part of the lore. Even today, 7th Legion NPCs sometimes appear as the blue-eyed high elves. It only made sense since the beginning for the Alliance to get access to this staple race.
Instead they’ve gotten just about everything else, while the closest thing to it was given to the Horde, resulting in some ridiculous “lore lol” situations regarding them being on the same faction as the undead, who still harbor deep resentment for everything to this day.
It’s really quite remarkable how Blizz will spent tens of millions of dollars to parkour over the city skyline for some snacks instead of going next door to the corner store that already exists.
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Because there are npcs that look like blood elves but with blue eyes helping alliance, so what’s with that. I understand those are ‘high elves’ and if blizzard gives blood elves blue eyes, then that means alliance will have those traitors in their content.
Who in the briny depths of R’lyeh is that?
There has never been more of an internet argument that could use people getting away from the computer and realize what they’re doing more than the perpetual high elf crap
Why would you think you know what anyone else is going to do?
I just want to play high elves on the alliance side.
I don’t want to take anything away from anyone. That’s not required in the least. None of your wild projection is necessary.
If high elves were just made available for alliance the request would be answered.
Not some backhanded facsimile no one asked for.
You really sound like you are describing those people who currently CAN play high elves and have nothing at all to lose, yet still set to declaiming those who have waited years for the opportunity to play the game they want to play.
You are describing those people who have what they want and are still delighting in taking away what shreds of hope others have.
And you are right, it looks sickening. It certainly feels terrible to be thusly fed to them. All that time and hope invested, converted into pure foolishness.
Are you?
Because if it is a done deal and the devil has won the day, can’t you just be happy that your foes get to suffer. Can’t you just let them come to terms with their despondent fate? Do you have to wade in and pile a bit more tragedy on their backs?
Haven’t you fed enough?
Naruto. Some people shipped Sakura and Naruto really hard throughout the manga’s lifespan.
They didn’t take the ending well.
Hinata was always better than Sakura anyway
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Not until I hear the lamentations of their women, if I go by Conan’s operation manual.
More to the point I don’t care. I said many times I had no skin in this game. I do however believe the lore Blizzard makes ought to be respected, even if you dislike it. There are other titles you can play if you dislike the story. They created Warcraft. Not us. We are playing Blizzard’s story in Blizzard’s universe.
Not the reverse.
Imagine telling J.R.R. Tolkien you are angry that Southern Men are allied with Sauron, and that Mordor stole the humans from Gondor. That all humans are automatically allies of the Elves and Dwarves, and thus that it’s a slap in the face that they are attacking Rohan’s men. That’s the level of stupid we’ve seen argued here. I simply am sick of the debate after 14 years, and I seriously doubt I am alone in this perception.
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I got blue eyes, I’m now a High Orc Elf.
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There are things you have said that aren’t less incorrect just because they’re you’re opinion. Using your colors example, if I’m wearing a red shirt, you can’t say it’s actually a blue shirt and then claim it’s your opinion if you get corrected.
You’re misquoting Hazzikostas.
In an interview after he said “Blood Elves are High Elves”, which people don’t disagree with, he later described High Elves as an issue constantly being kicked down the road. He said he didn’t want to do it, but a Game Director after him could decide differently. Ion’s not the first WoW Game Director, and probably won’t be the last.
The Blood Elves don’t call themselves “Quel’dorei”. I’m not the one contradicting lore. I humored you for a bit there because I wanted to see where you were going with the claim, but it was always incorrect.
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I’ve never said that, though…high elves joined the horde and became a playable race. A splintered few high elves are on the alliance and are not playable as they shouldn’t be, It’s a handful of high elves.
Yet he still is, so until he leaves begging and demanding high elves is pointless. I’m glad you agree with that.
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Me upon finding out Blood Elves are getting blue eyes and thus potentially killing off the idea of “Blood Elves but Alliance” being an Allied Race:
Seriously, there’s already four Elf races to choose from, that is more than enough.
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Yes, there are High Elves on the Horde who call themselves Blood Elves because they no longer think of themselves as High Elves. That’s not in dispute.
You also said there were no High Elves on the Alliance, and you were incorrect. My point is there are things you have been wrong about that you can’t just say were ‘just an opinion’.
He also said Essences wouldn’t be account bound until they were. As I’ve said from the beginning, the Game Director’s words are not set in stone.
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No, It’s actually because they changed their named to honor their fallen brethren. It has nothing to do with “no longer thinking themselves as high elves”
Yeah, obviously there are. Not enough to be a playable race as it was literally a few, look at wowpedia, wowiki, or any other online resource available.
Okay?
They are until they’re changed and what you and others have begged for hasn’t changed for 13 years. It’s almost the definition of insanity, honestly.
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If they changed their name, then they’re no longer using that name. That means they no longer refer to themselves as that name.
Population size doesn’t matter. Hasn’t mattered for a while. Since Draenei, practically.
Glad we agree.
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