Why do blue eyes matter so much? Seriously though why the rage?

We do? Oh nice, I was just hoping for more hairstyles.

This is an indefensible lie. Blizzard continues to put the Alliance’s High Elf comrades in the game literally every expansion.

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I got no dog in this race and want both ‘sides’ to get what they want (as in High Elves for Alliance and blue eyes for Blood Elves because both work according to the lore) but:

Yes, because they are the only ones who are caustic :roll_eyes:.

Now that would be an interesting twist. Imagine all the story that could come out the High Elves and Blood Elves thrown together like that. Would they reunite? Would they remain separate factions? Would some join one or the other and rest form a resistance to the unification?

I am against merging Alliance and Horde but that would be interesting.

Proof?

I think (and note I said I think because I cannot read everyone’s mind so it solely my opinion) the problem with both the High Elf crowd and the anti-High Elf crowd is they spend too much time being at odds instead of looking for a solution that could suit both sides (a common problem on this board). I came up with one; I would like to see others.

No, they put traitors that ignored Anasterian’s decree that they were withdrawing from the Alliance in the game. Please check the lore surrounding the end of the Second War. The High Elves joined only because of Lothar, and left shortly after he died. The ones who remained were interested in ‘human potential’, or felt loyalty to Alleria. But it must be understood they never were a majority.

Admittedly there should be a lot more shades of gray in this matter, but as long as we’re bound by a rigid faction system that is how we have to look at it unfortunately. This is why I’ve long advocated for the removal of the faction system.

That has nothing to do with wether or not they should be playable. High Elves are an Alliance race.

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No. They were a trainable unit/race in Warcraft II and III, even after they became Blood Elves.

That said, they never were or have been playable in any version of World of Warcraft.

Blood Elves however were added as an extension to their story in Burning Crusade.

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Warcraft is one single continuity if you’ve played for long enough. Newbies who try to tell veterans how it is = go home.

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So that’s what you refer to when the Horde tell us the Alliance aren’t allowed to request insert Allied race but demand they get Nightborne, Vulpera, etc.?

High Elves ARE on the Alliance. They use them EVERY SINGLE EXPANSION. The Silver Covenant has the last remaining high elves, and Vereesa isn’t about to bring them into the Horde.

Ion however, wants to turn Warcraft into his own fanfiction.

There are some players who are DYING to play high elves, and they apparently have blue eyes.

I don’t get it personally, but then I have been asking for playable ogres since before BC. We all have our things we really want.

I think that the first person to engage in insults like that, is the one on shaky ground. Moreover I’ve been playing Warcraft since the first. I even made RL clay Gul’dan skulls in 1996 also which nearly got me a suspension from a overly zealous principal who called it ‘satanic’ (lol!).

Calling me a newbie just showcases how little you have of substance in your argument son. Put up some real evidence or don’t. Blizzard is the arbiter of what is and is not the game’s lore, not you.

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It’s not an insult, it’s a demonstrable observation.

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Show me where my lore is dodgy then. Refute the lore I’ve cited, and show me a time when you could play a High Elf in World of Warcraft and I will concede that you are in fact right. :slight_smile:

I already told you that Warcraft games are one long continuity. You disagreed and are wrong. There’s nothing more to say if you can’t respect the knowledge of your elders.

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blue eyes meh give us these instead theyd be more awesome

And… he bites to activate my trap card. For the record, I am probably older than you, not that it matters a whit to this entire debate. It is also worth noting that your claim that I refuted Warcraft being a single continuity is pure absurdity.

I never said anything like that. I must assume, your lying now because you had no honest answer. This perception is the result of you making a claim that I never bothered to respond to, because it was full of emotional drivel and semantics. However I will respond to it now for form’s sake.

Warcraft is indeed a singular continuity.

In Warcraft 1 we played as Humans. We had a human nation that fought against the Orcs. While there were Elves and other races existant in the game lore, they were not playable in this game, and this was reflected by the human archers et-al.

Moving on to Warcraft II, Anasterian authorized a couple of units to serve the Alliance because of Lothar’s ties to the Arathi Bloodline which he owed a debt to through the Troll Wars. When Quel’thalas was burned by dragons, the Elves fully committed to removing the Horde threat. But once it was dealt with they withdrew. This occurred while Varian Wrynn was still a boy (Warcraft II: Beyond Dark Portal Original Print Instruction Manual).

In Warcraft III, we had the High Elves of Dalaran (which are a very different entity from the High Elves of Quel’thalas), join the Alliance. People will note there were no Rangers playable in Warcraft III, aside from the High Elf units created for flavor reasons.

There were however Sorceress Units and Blood Mages which reflected this fact.

Archimonde decimated Dalaran, and probably killed as many Dalaran High Elves as Arthas did with Quel’thalas. The survivors regrouped and were renamed the Blood Elves. Now for their part, the Blood Elves initially did seek to ally with the Alliance. Unfortunately thanks to the actions of the xenophobic Lord Garithos, they were relegated to suicide missions and impossible odds. Eventually Kael’thas wound up in a prison for getting help from the Naga.

Think about that for a second. The Dalaran High Elves (if any still existed at this point, or were not in hiding), allowed the Crown Prince of Silvermoon to sit in a Mage cell because he defeated the Scourge with a force of creatures that they have likely never heard of until now. Lady Vashj convinced Kael to go to Outland. He did. X years later, Kael’thas sent Rommath back with a Naaru and a message of hope.

At this point, Rommath is unwilling to deal with the humans again. This seeds his council to Lorthemar Theron. Moreover since the Blood Elves are faced with the fact that the Alliance has Dwarves and Night Elves tampering with their arcane Sanctums (because the Night Elves are just arrogant like that), the Blood Elves go to the Horde for the chance to reach Outland.

Thrall accepts their aid. The Horde has no real spell-casters besides the shamans and Troll mages. Thrall asks Theron if their people can help his since he’s looking to go to Outland for presumably a hunt for the Mag’har. I don’t know if it was a truth or a lie, but the Blood Elves said “Yes we can.” probably out of desperation for help. Sylvanas also petitions for Silvermoon’s inclusion in the Horde, and since she is a former hero of the Elves who died, they trust her more than the humans, Night Elves and Dwarves that are damaging their Sanctums / Spying on them.

Thrall makes the final call and welcomes the Blood Elves into the Horde, since he knows all about being betrayed by the humans (memories of Blackmoore die hard).

Blood Elves become Horde Allies.
High Elf aspirants shriek with rage.

Here we are 14 years later.

It’s a rough and dirty sum up, but it’s all Blizzard needs to justify themselves.

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That’s a lot of effort just to spread anti-High Elf propaganda. Does Blizzard pay you in game time or are you salaried?

Do you engage in conspiracy theory when you and your argument are challenged intellectually?

:cookie:

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Void elves are dark-skinned blood elves. Alliance didn’t have any dark-skinned elves…oh wait.

be careful people that is not a grumbles approved cookie

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So official lore is now anti-high elf propoganda? Talk about a slap in the face.

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