I mean, I can always post red if it’s needed. But I highly recommend alts. Not only is it useful to see the whole story, but it’s fun to mess around a bit from other perspectives.
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I play both sides.
Alliance overwhelmingly win, even when they lose (which is rare.)
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Hey, whatever you prefer is fine.
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I liked it and actually thought it was a pretty complete expansion. Yes the final patch was a cringe rush job but if they would have had N’Zoth beat us and set up a different expansion instead of SL it would have been perfect.
Don’t get me wrong, Azerite was a dog s*** system but we had no content draughts and a pretty solid story.
The thing I liked most was being a genocidal a** wipe and murdering that tree. Suited both my warrior and DK vibe well.
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lol, I’m trying…
Alliance side tends to trigger a lot of old traumas for me… it’s better now, but gods for a while I couldn’t even look at blue side without being disgusted because of bs that had nothing to do with the game. Put simply I hate small towns…
Weirdly enough that’s a pretty reasonable take. You are not your character and while it’s not everyone, I did see some people post a lot of weird stuff that like…I honestly couldn’t tell if they were posting their reaction as their character or the player. It’s fine to be a bad guy in a video game, and it’s fine for the bad guy to win, otherwise it’s a no-stakes theme park where every outcome is pre-determined.
It’s why I get nostalgic for vanilla WoW sometimes because the faction conflict was the one crafted on the server by the players. The BGs could go on for ages, you’d know who was coming for that gluteus maximus (really forums, I can’t say the “a” word?) out in the world, and if you wanted to butcher civilians in a capitol city raid, you could do it. While it wasn’t lore-canon, it was server canon which seemed to matter more.
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I’ve been a local cryptid on both sides since Wrath. Part of that is just the way Wyrmrest usually is, though.
You know what else I hated about BFA? It was murder on the local RP scene. Not as bad as Shadowlands, but man, we tried and it was still kind of depressing. The vulpera flood was almost a boon because for a bit, Orgrimmar was interesting. And the real kicker was that we had two great cities for background, but actually RPing through BFA was, at best, kind of soul grinding unless you had a character very well suited for it.
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I’ve played the “badguy” in games before, but I always got to choose to be the “badguy”. There are few games where I can say I enjoyed that experience, but I’ve at least gave it a shot.
I got into WoW because the Horde was presented as a Found Family of monsters trying to survive in a world that doesn’t want them. I didn’t join wow to play the “badguy”… I might have had we ever had choices in how we do the missions, but instead it’s all railroading and a complete lack of agency.
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SSHHHHHhhhhh don’t bring that up I almost convince my friend to comeback but if he reads your post he probably will rant for an hour about Jaina being to profitable, like Sylvanas, Anduin and other NPC that are off limits to the story team to kill off in any quest or raid… (I know Blizz is own by MS so this might be an outdated rumor/gossip but my friend wont care!)
SOOOooo hush, HISSS, Shooo Ervien bad Horde, dont bring it up! Don’t be a bad Horde… be good and docile like Horde New Council!
(I’m joking Erevien, just could not stop myself to fuel your passion for the Horde!)
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Being the bad guy is a lot more fun when it’s a choice.
I’ve been known to pull a few renegade triggers and hit the dark side options in my day, but it’s a lot less fun when that’s the experience, no alternative, oh, and the narrative absolutely is framed so that you know that you did a bad thing while you were doing it.
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If it makes you feel any better, I been….extremely tempted to faction change my lock to a vulpera and get him to 70.
(Druid will still be my main and yes I have a problem with falling in love with pet classes I haven’t touched in a long time)
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Stormwind was booming for rp during BFA. Why wouldn’t it be? People were proselytized from any neutrality to full on “Horde evil, gotta kill 'em.”
I spent a good portion of bfa just flying around killing Horde in Stormwind while people roleplayed. I was even part of the big Stormwind defense network.
Not out of any Alliance pride, just. PVP is what I do, and playing Horde sucked in BFA. And well all expansions these days, but especially BFA.
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I kind of remember it as very busy at first, because the concept is juicy, then a lot of rapid deflationary activity. Not quite the freefall we got in Shadowlands, but random RP absolutely absolutely collapsed like an untied balloon in BFA. In my experience.
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I thought I hated BFA, until Shadowlands — Which made me realise it could had been a lot worse, and I considered perhaps I treated BFA too harshly …
Shadowlands ruined majority of the lore, took a rotting stinking dump on many of the themes & cosmologies. Compared to that, BFA looked like a golden child.
Being lied to by Blizzard.
Sylvanas:
- “Sylvanas a Garrosh 2.0? Nooo, that’s silly - won’t happen. Trust us!”
- "Oh no we won’t demonise Sylvanas & make her a villain."
Horde:
Someone outright asked Blizzard: “Are you going to make the Horde the obvious villains or at the very least ‘the aggressors’ again? – Because we’re kind of sick of it …”
- To which Blizzard responded: "Oh no no no, Horde won’t be the ‘villains’ or ‘aggressors’ – This expansion is going to be morally grey.
"
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What did SL do that was worse than ruining the Horde, in your opinion? Not saying you’re wrong or anything—I just don’t see what in SL could possibly be worse than that.
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Either it’s the cosmology or Sylvanas wasn’t killed. It’s always one of those.
A different version of Shadowlands could have made Sylvanas more reasonable (instead of “sacrifice everything that isn’t me” and then “rethink all the sacrifices I made for a cause the second my boss says a mean word and not meaningfully before”). You know, something that could have at least made the absolutely mess that Sylvanas’s character was left as make sense. Or explored motives. A different version of Shadowlands might have let the story breath and give context BFA was always lacking, and outright refused to expound on.
A different version of Shadowlands wouldn’t have retroactively made Vol’jin’s last moments him being gullible.
A different version of Shadowlands wouldn’t have made a mess of all the settings’ established afterlives.
A different version of Shadowlands wouldn’t have made so many major plot beats retroactively dumber because actually it was the Jailor playing 9-D chess against himself.
I have mentioned I don’t particularly care for BFA or Shadowlands as far as story goes, right?
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I am skeptical that anything could have been done to salvage Sylvanas after the WoT, personally.
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In my eyes, no. Sylvanas is/was a lost cause. A different version of Shadowlands would have just let her meet the same fate as Arthas and Garrosh and had her poof away into nothingness, and I’d have been fine with that.
I really wish The Other Side was a zone. I would have just hung out there and ignored everything else going on like I did in Zandalar. Just give me a nice place to bury my head in the sand.
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It does always throw me for a loop that the community seems to hate SL more than BfA. Wonder if it’s just the recency. SL did a lot wrong but all of its faults felt like the result of incompetent writing. E.g. focusing on giving Zovaal credit for everything instead of a personality.
BfA felt like malicious writing. Quite possibly literally considering Afrasiabi. “Oh, you’re for some reason attached to this lady who’s been your racial leader for 14 years? Well they’re evil and you should feel bad for liking them. Also here’s 23 minutes of CGI sad hypocrite orc, feel bad for him because we said so.”
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