Why did you hate Bfa?

For me the most obvious thing wasn’t the Horde portrayed at evil. But once again Blizzard took the route of beating the trolls while they were lying on the ground and ruined their image of being bullied by everyone even further. An Empire in decline with all chances of greateness long gone and purposly stagnated due to a new leader who rather adapt to a reality where humanity is the biggest feat.

At the same time Kul Tiras was build back to full health and even expanded and that leaves a sour taste on my mouth. If you ain’t human Blizzard doesn’t care about your characters, world buildings or victories.

What was your worst moment of Bfa? If they didn’t announce Shadowlands the same year I would have quit the game directly after Patch 8.1

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I didn’t.

10/char

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Sticking strictly to the story since I’ve always loved the game mechanically…

-Ruining Sylvanas.
-Making me hate Saurfang.
-Establishing Rastakhan as a great character and then killing him off right away.
-Really developing Nathanos and Gallywix as enjoyable characters just to kick them out of the Horde right after.
-Making the faction war a morally imbalanced joke and abandoning it halfway through the expansion.
-Wasting Azshara and Nazjatar on a patch.
-Wasting Ny’alotha as just a raid.

“The Horde is nothing.”

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The fact that half the abominations that blizz considered Good ideas were some of the most half baked ideas I’ve seen in a long time.

The War Campaign was the worst offender for me personally. Zandalar was a blast to level in, but it all gets ruined with the overarching faction war story.

And like mentioned numerous times in previous discussions, the wasted effort they put into Azshara and N’Zoth. Both could have easily carried the bulk of a expansions story on their own

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the part where a certain writer hated night elves and did everything he could to make them suffer and completely obliterate them from the setting.

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Really, I could forgive BfA’s other shortcomings if it weren’t for this one; doing this garbage after MoP was actually unforgivable. But then, if it weren’t for this one, most of the other failures you listed might have been averted.

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I don’t care for the villan bat considering that wasn’t even the first reason for the original rebellion. But rather forcing a huge part of the Horde once again to fight itself. That was the other great failure of Blizzard apart from repeating the same story again.

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The ‘Moral Greyness’ of playing either Adolf H or Jesus basically stained absolutely everything else in the expansion and continues to be a creamy coating of #### over the game’s ongoing story.

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The weakest part of BfA does feel like the horde campaign. Could’ve been easier to make a good story if it used new characters instead of characters that were close to the alliance. :memo::robot:

We weren’t allowed to win even in our own closed off version of the story and that is what drove alot of players away to the point of quitting both in war campaign and in the questing on Zandalar.

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It was unfortunate how much the horde failed from the Battle of Undercity to losing Saurfang. Hopefully the (horde) Earthen see many victories. :beers::robot:

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Oh lordy.

I will start by saying there were bright spots, mostly in side quests and the characters. And I was tickled pink to finally visit Zandalar.

THAT BEING SAID.

The night elf issue. We start with a borderline ridiculous Worfing of the night elves, where they’re fighting with both hands tied behind their back (no army, no allies, suddenly incompetent in the forest) where the plot knots itself into an entire pretzel twist to get us to the burning. Which then drops off the face of the earth. This mega-tragedy goes for almost a year before the plot brings it up in a meaningful way again. And then Malfurion vs one orc and a battlefront resolved by tweet a few months down the road is pretty obviously intended as more than enough for night elves. A lot of the night elf resolution or dealing with the fallout at all reads as extremely ad-hoc. Instead, we get lovingly rendered, very expensive cinematics about how bad mass murder made Saurfang feel.

The night elves may be in the cinematic. Or at least their arms. We don’t have a whole high res model for them, just a blood elf colored purple.

The Horde, in the meantime, spends the entire arch looking A) comically, ridiculously evil and B) kind of incompetent at it. Since Bliz is allergic to Alliance beating the Horde on screen or any sort of Alliance beats in AvH story besides vague remorse, being sad about tragedy, or snatching defeat from the jaws of victory (we won but at what coooooost), but has written the Horde so bonkers insane that their victories entail scorched earth, the Alliance keeps winning via tweets or one line in ancillary media (and an entirely missable line from Nathanos).

The end result is that both sides feel kind of horrible to play. If you want to be a noble punching bag told how much you suffer, you roll blue and if you want to be mustache twirling evil but also too incompetent to actually win, the Horde is waiting for you.

The whole story takes a turn for the insane with the big revelation that the reason that the Horde is so bad at warfighting is because their boss is literally trying to kill as many of them as possible. Yay.

You have baffling beats like the Horde getting the San’layn, an inherently interesting concept, but never seeing them because the whole thing gets wrapped up in a quest with a slight “BUT IS IT” at the end.

You have the Alliance doing insane things like sacrificing Blademaster Telamon (a fun character) for a raid on the Zandalari only to leave because suddenly war is so rude actually.

You have the Horde doing insane things like Rexxar saying he’s going to drive the Kul’tirans from Horde land… on Kul Tiras. Having a repeatable daily kill the Doctors Without Borders medic.

It’s just a mess.

And I mean, okay, WoW story is frequently a mess. This isn’t new. And most of the Horde vs Alliance stuff wouldn’t be so egregious if it wasn’t an amplification and repeat of Cata/MOP issues. But all of this flanderization, character assassination, ferocious bludgeoning with the villainy bat and the idiot ball… And the big payoff was…

Shadowland’s story.

Which, and I say this wholeheartedly, was not worth the monkey’s fist knot we went through to get there.

Anyway.

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Came here to say this.

Still rotted my Queen didn’t get her own expansion! :sob:

Other than that:

  • Building up a bunch of great Horde characters only to kill most of them off and/or villainize them.
  • Under developed (see: Non-existent) lore connecting Kul Tirans to Drust lineage.
  • Killing off like… every Loa.
  • Everything in the War campaign and every story patch after the initial launch.
  • Messy story direction with too many seemingly cool but terribly executed themes smashed into too little time to follow cohesive threads.
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lol it was an very mix bag…

Hmmm what I do remember that actually irk me was the inconsistency of the raid vs the story, how Rastakhan even being powered by Bwonsamdi, die after being presented as such a great character, Gelbin Mekkatorque almost died in that same raid… yet for some reason Jaina after her battle with the Azerite-empower Champions was ok, like literally not even showing sings of fatigue or even a scratch?! The fact that she never answer for leading the raid that cause Talanji father to die was also weird, but probably Blizz forgot about give that closure. I felt bad for the Sunriver trying to avenge their friends of Dalaran and how we had to fight them too, their timing of their vengeance was terrible, seriously I would have help them but NOT when we were trying to rescue Baine?! lol :person_facepalming: :laughing:
Meanwhile other Horde and Alliance main cast characters died for much less.
It was inconsistent to me or I though there was something weird going on (I thought maybe that was not the real Jaina… as there were community rumors that she was a Dreadlord at that time).

Even AU Guldan in Legion was all battered at the end of the Raid fight with the Artifact Empowered Champions cinematic…

Now that I think about it was more of me being nitpicky than anything but I remember it really bug me… it felt like plot armor for that character more than anything and it made it worse when “mama Jaina” had to protect poor Baine and Thrall from the maw… and how Bolvar was always commenting how powerful she was. LOL
I remember now, I had a friend with me doing that and I he was having such a meltdown at that point… god I never laugh so hard that night! :rofl:

But yeah that all I can remember from BFA and it was more my friends making the observations than me… I was more like: “It does not add up, but whatever” but for him its was annoying. Well after that intro to SL my friend stop playing and never came back now his in GW2 or ESO currently. I do miss him he was so funny… specially when he had this “Story Meltdowns against the alliance faction”! :joy:

Reminds me a bit of you Erevien with your post about the Horde! LOL
:grin:

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It was only Rezan actually. Hireek and Torga will be back.

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Yeah, which is good. But at the time, we didn’t quite KNOW that. They did Hir’eek, Torga, Shadra and Rezan (especially Rezan) SO dirty. Was a super downer to finally meet all these amazing revered Loa and only to have them dropping like flies.

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Wasted potential.

It was a chance to bring back the morally compromised Alliance, and have characters who were set up to be Warmongers - Greymane, Tyrande, Jania (as much as I dislike her character being taken in that direction) to wrest control of the Alliance from the child-king Anduin and fight a war of aggression against the Horde who could be in a position of fighting a defensive war against a more powerful and imperious Alliance.

Instead, we got a simple story of the good Anduin versus the evil Sylvannas who makes the Horde do atrocities. That was already done with Garrosh, and it was done better then. The Horde are unhappy being branded as the villains again, and the Alliance are unhappy because there is nothing interesting going on with their side.

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Destroy the fabric of WoW. Two expansions have been trying to repair the damage done in a single patch. Like one event, ruined the game.

All of the work done by the Horde to prove they aren’t savage evil monsters hellbent on mass murder was flushed down the drain by a very misogynistic dev. Who derailed Sylvanas and the Night Elves so he could live out his sexist fantasy of genociding a race of warrior women and turn one of the iconic women of WoW into WoW Hitler 2.0.

Like, right now. The horde is screwed. You can’t undo the fact that they followed Sylvanas largely until it stopped being convenient for them. The Horde has lost all moral high ground. The magic circle of racial fantasy has been shattered.

There is no real good reason for the Alliance to ever want to work willingly with the Horde outside of deus ex dev forcing.

Rexxar got hit by the dumb bat. “JAina is evil because…” “We highmountain tauren are told that alliance is evil…” Two patches after their faction commits genocide.

We wasted the Naga plot; Why the heck is Jaina talking about Azshara and the naga? She has little to no interaction with them. Azshara deemed Tyrande as her main rival.

BFA had the worst heritage quest ever. “Gilneans don’t need to be worgen. Let’s ignore the whole plot about this curse is our strength.”

Anduin is made a military leader with no real reason. A lot of devs lying. They sold us a lot of lies during the interviews.

Also, the night warrior thing was an butt-pull in reaction to people not liking the shock value of genocide. Yes, they definitely planned darkshore patch, but they definitely threw in stuff in response to the backlash.

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Oh, oh.

That reminds me.

We finally introduce a new undead character. We give him a personality! We give him beef with the living! We give him a genuine sympathetic story! We quest with him for multiple patches! We love him! We… kill him off while he sobs in fear.

We also made Lillian “My Entire Schtick Is That Necromancy Is The Worst” Voss completely onboard with raising folks in extremely-coercive-at-best situations (Stone).

Oh, BFA.

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The Villian-batting was a big part of the hate. When my guild stopped raiding, I found that, with no interest in the horrible story, raiding had been the only thing keeping me in the game. So I unsubbed. I cam back as an Alliance because how bad Horde lord was. I’m “sorta” back in the Horde, but only for raiding reasons.

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