I love how people completely blow off the in game justification for recruiting these people (the quoted text giving some background on what is required to be a member of the foremost naval power in the world). Then proceeds to go “ha ha elves” as if that is somehow relevant to the current topic. We’re not talking about dragons…we’re talking about how a crew of obese people could not crew an old style sailing vessel, let alone be able to in any condition to fight anyone should the need arise (as a ship of war would require).
Kul Tiras is supposed to be the best naval power in all of Azeroth. The ones that the orcs had to steal dragons to beat…and even then had a hard go of it. Look at the armed forces anywhere in the world: you don’t see people who look like the spend more time fighting off heart attack then…well, fighting.
And they are the best naval power in the game oh and if you like I would be more than happy to show you how wrong you are about big people in the Navy both present and past.
Actually, to the best of my knowledge, no real world navy of any era actually has any undead sailors in their ranks.
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As to your point about “big people,” I specifically said obese. Every armed forces has minimum health requirements for their troops. For example: the US bases theirs off the BMI chart. You cannot enlist if you are overweight, and you must maintain a healthy BMI (you can’t dodge your physicals), or you get referred to a weight management program. You don’t lose the weight you get discharged. Because you’re a liability to the people in your unit if you can’t physically carry out the work you signed on to do because of your weight.
That’s right. It doesn’t. Again, please avoid discussing this topic. You’re extremely ignorant on the subject of nutrition and dietetics, and would only serve to misinform people who might genuinely be looking for help.
They are more relaxed now with those types of physicals then they were in the past my Father was a US Marine at 6’2 and 170 lbs he was considered over-weight because of his BMI they tried to send him to fat camp. They are nowhere near that harsh, and in the Navy they are way more laxed now. Buddy of mine actually reminds me of the Kul Tirans and served in the Navy.
…and you would be wrong. This is why the “body positive crowd” needs to stay away from this topic: they’re as bad as anti vaxxers. Relevant information, key information bolded:
Adult Obesity Causes & Consequences
Obesity is a complex health issue to address. Obesity results from a combination of causes and contributing factors, including individual factors such as behavior and genetics. Behaviors can include dietary patterns, physical activity, inactivity, medication use, and other exposures. Additional contributing factors in our society include the food and physical activity environment, education and skills, and food marketing and promotion.
Obesity is a serious concern because it is associated with poorer mental health outcomes, reduced quality of life, and the leading causes of death in the U.S. and worldwide, including diabetes, heart disease, stroke, and some types of cancer.
While there are other factors, most obese people in the first world are in the diet and exercise category. As in too much unhealthy in the first category, and not enough of the latter. Of course, each person should consult with their doctor to make sure there are not other contributing factors. However…if an obese person believing they are “big boned” or something along those lines…they are probably in for a shock when they finally get around to seeing their doctor.
And once again, you offer the best self rebuttal:
…unles your numbers are way off, that’s nowhere near overweight on the BMI. Keep in mind, that your doctor will make individual determinations based off your medical history, but here’s the general information:
https://bmiwiki.com/bmi-chart/
Unless there was something drastically off with his health (unlikely for an active duty US Marine), someone with that BMI wouldn’t be anywhere near overweight. So, something isn’t right about your story.
You claimed that that obesity is caused by a “high-fat diet” and inactivity.
Your source doesn’t specifically say “high-fat diet.” Yes, it does say that “dietary patterns” is a contributing factor in obesity, but it never says that it’s a high-fat diet that causes it.
Again, please refrain from discussing this topic. You’re not only extremely ignorant on the topic of dietetics and nutrition, you can’t even accurately quote your own sources.
Your also linking BMI chart for present day this was the 70s and in the Marine Corps.
But back on subject, I don’t find the Kul Tirans obese, obese tends to lead towards unhealthy, I just see overly sized people with a big guy, lots of muscle and layers of fat…Almost like a Norwegian Whaler.
You didn’t bother reading anything else on the page did you?
That was rhetorical. Next paragraph:
Healthy behaviors include a healthy diet pattern and regular physical activity. Energy balance of the number of calories consumed from foods and beverages with the number of calories the body uses for activity plays a role in preventing excess weight gain. A healthy diet pattern follows the Dietary Guidelines for Americans which emphasizes eating whole grains, fruits, vegetables, lean protein, low-fat and fat-free dairy products and drinking water. The Physical Activity Guidelines for Americans recommends adults do at least 150 minutes of moderate intensity activity or 75 minutes of vigorous intensity activity, or a combination of both, along with 2 days of strength training per week.
So, before you blow it off completely and say “herp, no fats mentioned!” the Dietary Guidelines for Americans it referenced speaks about the dangers of high fat diets:
Fats provide more calories per gram than any other calorie source—9 calories per gram. Types of fat include saturated, trans, monounsaturated, and polyunsaturated fatty acids. Some fat is found naturally in foods, and fat is often added to foods during preparation. Similar to protein, inadequate intake of total fat is not a common concern in the United States. Most Americans consume too much saturated and trans fatty acids and not enough unsaturated fatty acids.
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Even in the absence of overweight or obesity, consuming too much sodium, solid fats, saturated and trans fatty acids, cholesterol, added sugars, and alcohol increases the risk of some of the most common chronic diseases in the United States. Discussing solid fats in addition to saturated and trans fatty acids is important because, apart from the effects of saturated and trans fatty acids on cardiovascular disease risk, solid fats are abundant in the diets of Americans and contribute significantly to excess calorie intake.
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For those who don’t know, “trans fatty acids” are more commonly known as “trans fats.”
And of course, you keep providing the best self rebuttal:
I am aware we are talking about The Marine Corps. Your date now makes your story even less sense, because prior to 1998 the BMI criteria was LESS stringent on the overweight and above categories. It wasn’t until 1998 that many people who were previously categorized as healthy got bumped to overweight under the reclassification.
You can’t spot reduce fat. So it’s not like if they did a bunch of crunches they’d be skinny. It’s about energy balance. Calories consumed vs calories burned.
Funny how people saying fat and can not fight or do things. I am a large person and consider overweight. I practice karate 1 hour a day four days a week, go to the gym three times a week and can keep up with my kids. just because you have a beer gut does not mean out of shape. just means you are overweight. Your body activity is tied to conditions you put it through. if lazy and sit home and overweight then yeah not doing much. If active and engaging that weight only slows down.
Again, please refrain from discussing this topic. You are grossly uninformed and will only serve to mislead people who might be looking for help.
Your source only says that it comes from consuming too many calories. Regardless of which macronutrient it is. It does point out that fat has nine calories per gram. But again, it never specifies a high-fat diet.
So, yet again, you prove that you cannot even reference your own sources accurately. You aren’t equipped to discuss this topic.
And for the record, I consume a high-fat diet. I also consume almost no carbs. And I guarantee you, I’m leaner than you, could outperform you in the gym and will live longer and healthier.
Also if the BMI calculator you are using doesn’t use circumferences to measure your waist, wrists ect. it’s just a ballpark guess at best.
Also I wouldn’t trust any “research” that comes from the USDA especially before the year 2016… American nutritional research has been heavily influenced by corporations for the sole point of protecting profits. The sugar industry influenced scientists in the 60s to heavily research the dangers of fat, yet downplay the risks of eating refined sugar.
Coincidentally, based on the USDA page linked by the same person telling us that high fat diets are leading to obesity… from the 70s specifically obesity rates began to skyrocket, when low fat food items were heavily pushed onto the public.
The government of America, my home, is just simply never to be trusted when it comes to our personal health and research. They have completely failed the public in almost every way with misinformation and bad guidelines. They are too heavily influenced by industry.
I mean…if you completely ignore what you don’t want to read, sure. I clearly pointed out where it makes the clear distainction between the various types of fats and carbs involved, but you keep going “herp, fats are fine!” And of course, you keep offering the best self rebuttal:
At least I’m telling people to actually talk to their doctors, instead of whatever nonsense obesity acceptance you’re on about.
Nice try at a dodge, but it didn’t actually address anything I brought up. Since no one in this thread is actually from Azeroth…does that mean we can’t discuss wow? Also, it is on topic. You brought it up as a part of the discussion, I’m pointing out the holes in your story.
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