Why did Blizzard put us on a patch where Raids can be cleared by non60s?

No they won’t. But I’m not surprised you think that

They did it to have all the classes at their most viable point from Vanilla. What do people hate about BFA? Classes. You might be a masochist and want to play 1.0 druid but I don’t.

We still had Thottbot for info, nothing was a secret back then either!

I’m playing Classic for a challenge. A PvP challenge…

People are way better content. :slight_smile:

How about you clear it with non 60s and get back to the rest of us?

Unless you think you can easily replicate what a group who’ve been practicing for YEARS managed, what are you whining about?

If only that were true for WoW. It was far more true for Diablo, but WoW’s BoP and of course completely different type of itemization kills the vast majority of that.

I don’t deny that if done right there COULD still be a ton of replayability. But replayability without new content has always been WoW’s #1 problem.

Agree wholeheartedly. Unfortunately, WoW is not a great game. It had an amazing start, and it well deserved its popularity, but it stagnated badly at end-game. It’s sad when D2 has a hundredth the content and 100x the replayability.

Make the game HARDER. Un-nerf the bosses to their original state, and let’s get this show on the road with a real challenge! =D

See you try killing them without gearing up and proper resistances !

#UN-NERFBosses , unleash hell and their true power level! Ragnaros is freaking living fire breathing, asskicking and gnome eating god!

Blizzard make it happen! That raid difficulty level is a total joke if they got away with that and way too low for players to not steamroll it if they don’t follow the original raid intent to have gear checks with fire resistance gear and all their stuff ready. That’s hurting badly your endgame and bringing down players morale who have been looking for a challenging experience!

RAIDING is not casual. Raiding is dedication, progression and evolving with your guild as one. But in no way in hell does it entails to bypass gearing up and progression walls for someone to just swoop in. Back in Everquest even if the guild was elite at executing strats they still had to be geared up properly and same for wow during release. People will feel cheated if you let this go. PEOPLE have to have goals to play the game and things they will be looking for you know!!! :slight_smile:

The easier the boss the less bragging rights and prestige they get for taking it down and doing it!

Avatar of War first kill?
VEX THALL with aoe blind anyone?
Plane of Time pre-nerf?

Think back Death and Taxes, Elitist Jerks, Afterlife, Fires and Heaven, Township Rebellion, Legacy of Steel… they worked their asses off for every encounters to get that kill!

That wasn’t handed to them on a silver plater and neither should you!

20 years of mmorpg history taught us that. For the love of god guys don’t take players for stupid or not skilled. We want to overcome daunting challenges this is what this is about and the name of the game.

This is ten percent luck
Twenty percent skill
Fifteen percent concentrated power of will
Five percent pleasure
Fifty percent pain
And a hundred percent reason to remember the name

This is the best speech in 2 decades of mmo history and totally represents gamers mentality with a kickass raid design philosophy! Excitement to design and excitement to raid. This is what we want this side of the island so make it HAPPEN! :smiley:

I couldn’t upload but i wanted to show you my screenshot because you’re now corporate and stuff! :stuck_out_tongue: Check the video also at 13:30 for the slide. First bullet point!

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Best regards,

Kilithlii

“This group of Olympic athletes do really well in the sport I like, I might as well not even try.”

I’m looking forward to check blizzard response on un-nerfing the bosses =p

those idiots that gave the community dbm, bigwigs, thotbot (wowhead), elitist jerks? …yep, those players of ole sure didn’t know what they were doing compared to players today ;/

Don’t think you really put a lot of thought into this point of view. Simple its 15 years old and there wasn’t any sort of new content to the game. Why do it is mostly based on opinion on why people continue playing. And there were those players that wanted to beat classic at a break neck speed and others who wanted to bath in it.

“According to private servers”, there is your problem. Private servers GUESSED on a lot of data, they also purposely changed things to make it “harder”, like raid bosses.

Classic was not hard, it was merely new and people had zero knowledge. Everything about the game is known now, so leveling is going to be infinitely easier as is any content. People are not going into these raids guessing abilities, mechanics, strats etc. They are also not taking forever to level, iirc on original launch it still only took someone like 7 days played to hit max(mostly just grinding). Not to mention the straight up broken things at original launch(itemizaotin, talents etc) and horrible server stability/bugs that prolonged progression for everyone.

Seems like you are blinded by reality.

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If they released BFA Classic today and everyone started at level 110, who here thinks Method doesn’t down Jaina first week? If Method downs Jaina week one, does that mean BFA Mythic raiding is a joke?

The hardest part of Mythic raiding is finding out what mechanics there are and what strats work to overcome them. That’s the hardest part. It’s not even a gear thing anymore. So why are we surprised that private server guilds who have been running this raid for years down Rag first week?

“On point”? No, it’s a completely different experience. Maybe it’s more to where you would want it or imagine it. But it’s not accurate to how original wow was.

I have a lot of patience, but I’m getting tired of the Retailer’s coming in and making hay about the fast MC clear. My Lock, Druid and Mage all cleared MC back in Vanilla, got everything they needed. So Do sit here and complain? No I just rolled a class I had never played. I am reading the quest texts, and making new friends! (healers are E-Z mode hehe) No one in my guild cares one whit about an early MC clear, we are having too much fun, and creating new bonds. I’m sorry if I sound crabby, But If I see one more " MC Clear… Why no changes…We need QOL … you will quit at 60 … etc", I’m going to watch Netflix!

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quit now, because you are trying to capture something that cannot be captured. You are naive in the extreme if you think its going to be anything like those raids were before and just ignoring reality for your arguments.

I’m asking them to make it harder that’s what I’m asking straight up. =P

just about as wrong as you can be kid

and you dont get how the raids worked back then i can tell you for sure they are ez ifr people are clearing ony with 50% dead if you even had a clue you would know that with almost no top lvl gear she would not even be possible in van let alone killable with half the raid dead and people in greens