Right but queue dodging is a separate issue from matches starting without full teams. And just fixing that would have fixed that issue.
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Right which you don’t know until you actually post hence it’s inconsistent and more reliable to just explicitly quote.
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It’s cause and effect.
You can still premade if there’s enough less people queuing with you. Removing match numbers stopped players from refusing to accept.
You can see the arrow that they replied to, fam. Quoting is meant to be to break up your own post, not to show who you were replying to.
Right but that’s a separate issue from matches starting short players.
Simply fixing that would have fixed the actual problem, removing match numbers was only done to appease horde whiners.
The arrow does not consistently show up.
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Or maybe it was done to send a clear message that AV was not intended for Premades and thus does not allot you to queue for it as one?
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Only if the post is directly below it. It is consistent you don’t understand the process.
How? It’s not a separate issue, it was the solution.
Games should not be delayed because players wish to dodge to find another to stack in their favour.
more horde players, alliance were getting faster honor at the expense of horde players waiting in queue for hours.
conclusion? horde players are devs.
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So, blizzard said that it was in fact a bug and not premades forcing games to start undermanned.
The beginning of premades was toxic, but it eventually turned into a discord channel that equal minded people went to get a group to enhance their chances at winning.
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Not intended shouldn’t be fixed though if it was in vanilla. Like the warrior flask, its rarely complained about and is available to both factions so there isn’t a big outcry about it and it hasn’t been changed because it existed in this manner in vanilla right?
The AV premades could have been done in vanilla in precisely the same manner but they were changed because of complaints. Lots of things have. Its just rarer (or non existent) that something that makes things more difficult for alliance will ever be fixed (such as alliance ships vs horde zeppelins, cave locations etc)
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That’s your own assumed understanding based on lack of information and your own bias.
There are many complaints towards diamond flask. It currently has it’s own thread with a large amount of posts.
BG numbers were removed because it was impacting those left behind when others dodged for another.
Exactly. Removing those aiming to land together wasn’t the primary intention.
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Why remove IDs then??
I dont know only blizzards knows. But that didnt prevent premades.
It was the blizzard made up queue time.
Diamond flask is complained about far far far less than black lotus or premades are , these two topics were like 80%+ of the forum at one point
Exactly. Premades for WSG and AB is one of the most popular complaints here, it hasn’t resulted in action from Blizzard.
Changes aren’t based on popularity by forum users.
To state that queuing was changed because of a bias towards horde is to fail to understand the purpose of the change entirely.
Simply fixing the bug of matches starting short players would have fixed that issue and it’s an issue that can happen regardless of people queue dodging.
Removing the match numbers was done solely because of horde whining when just fixing the matches starting short would have fixed the actual issue.
It doesn’t seem weird to you that anything that rumbles the horde is fixed near instantly and anything uncomfortable for alliance is left entirely? How many back to back coincidences of a company favoring a larger percentage of its customer base do we need ?
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Horde are able to premade AB/WSG and there are plenty of horde who want to keep it that way so not really the same situation as AV.
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So having a handful of 20v40s but winning 50% is somehow bad, but having all 40v40s and losing 99% is acceptable?
This benefited the horde far more than it did the alliance
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Correlation =/= Causation
Camping an instance entrance is PVP happening on a PVP server. Camping a res cave in a BG was something blizzard never intended, and therefore made the call to smash it.
But yeah, it is completely reasonable to believe that a game company favors one faction over the other to the point of making changes that benefit one just to piss off the other. 
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Go back to around early January on the forum and read the myriad of posts from alliance players complaining about AV being wrecked by premades abandoning the bg before the start or kicking players out.
Also, Blizz doesnt look at issues as horde or alliance. Thats for the dumbs on the forums who want to roleplay like horde vs alliance is a real thing instead of a fantasy game setting.
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