If it didn’t grief your own, I wonder if a fix would have even been made.
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Only if the boys in red asked for it
I don’t agree and I suspect replying from here wouldn’t make either of us relent.
I do hope your experience gets better. I personally don’t care for AV and concede that it was made during a time when the alliance population was more dominant.
I didn’t say that. Benefit =/= win.
You’re bothered. Understandable but not helping conversation. Good luck, fam.
Yeah i dont think ill even see the horde win rate going up and the alliance winrate plummeting as a “win for both”
Those gold medal worthy mental gymnastics are beyond my ability
in an BG the goal is to win. so win=benefit
A fix was going to be made regardless of what happened to alliance pugs. They fixed the alliance pug situation and still continued to make changes to kill premades. It was pretty clear the changes were intended to end premading, not to save alliance pugs.
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That other fix you mentioned was made directly for AB where hunters would eagle eye to scout a game before the others in their group joined.
I don’t agree there’s this nefarious ploy to assist Horde’s win rate.
The artificial queue time that only exists in AV was made for AB?
Ah, I’m not familiar with that, sorry.
They added an artificial queue to AV which made it so that it was no longer a literal line to get in. People discovered that queues went from instant to 3-5 minutes overnight and were confused. Premade discords got together 150-200+ people to queue at the same time and it still took over 3 minutes for a single player to find a game.
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Mm, that does suck.
I’m not going to pretend that premade AV was a good thing for the game or that it should have stayed. In fact it completely killed my ranking experience since phase 2 was really fun and I wanted to do AB/WSG. But thinking that Blizzard fixed premades to help alliance pugs and not because they disagreed with premading is ridiculous considering how many specific changes they made aimed at premades.
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Nah, I do 100% agree with that. My point was that it wasn’t directed in a response to Horde. The opposite is true too.
I’m trying to stop resisting AV complaints, I wish you and your movement the very best.
It probably wasnt to fix one specific thing or another. More than likely they had a couple of things they wanted to accomplish with the changes made.
The imbalance in player population does exist. It does not entitle someone to abuse the system. This mentality reminds me of the idiots who drive on the shoulder of the freeway to blast past construction zones.
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Blizzard can’t fix stupid.
People largely rolled Horde because some jackasses on the internet said that was “the meta.” Blizzard can’t fix this.
Alliance abused a system and effectively griefed their own faction while cheating to win. Yeah, Blizzard had the ability to fix this, and was right in doing it.
Now, the Alliance queue up for a battleground, refuse to play it as intended and cry. We’re back to stupid… Blizzard can’t help us there.
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So to break it down, I said the alliance premade situation was completely born out of player choice, you said nope, i said yep and you said ok stop yanking the goal posts ? what?
No, actually this is what you said:
And I pointed out that the numbers of the last decent data showed nearly equal distribution. Then you went on to blame horde for rolling a faction with a greater number interested in pvping. Your goalposts are on wheels.
If you scroll up above the sentence that you quoted about player decisions, you get this posted by me. The problem is you jumped into a conversation midway with some offtopic football chew gum analogy which isn’t even what we were talking about and completely missed what was being said
hahaha are you actually trying to argue that the reason the alliance queues are instant is down to the game and not down to players who pvp massively preferring horde? That’s a new one to me. So if 99% of the playerbase played alliance we would still be able to premade? Or is it down to player choices that we could? hmmm
I even clarified (in an av thread, about av queues, replying to a guy complaining about av queue exploitation) that i was talking about players who pvp , not a global population of horde to alliance because that would be meaningless. You missed the entire crux of the argument which wasn’t anything about if the horde or alliance try harder or their population, it was entirely to do with the queue system being a player made problem rather than one made by a fault within the queue system.
Talking about the map. Not player imbalance.
I don’t think there is a player imbalance. I think there is a map that blizzard sees one side having nearly insurmountable advantages and opts to do nothing over it regardless of any proof they are offered and it has pushed alliance into not queuing for it at all which leads to AVs massive queue times
And of course blizzard fixed premades. Horde needed help and they came running. The fix benefits them so it was a must have
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Unfortunately the system is terrible at present. The only decent times to Solo queue are Sunday and Monday. The rest of the week is premade after premade, best to do something else.
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