I mained shadow in pvp and raids but i healed more dungeons in shadowlands than i ever have before because
a.) Holy was fun
b.) I could spec it whenever I liked
On that note, I mained blood dk in cata and tanked more content than I ever have outside of FF14, including alliance 2nd h madness of deathwing on my realm, because
a.) Blood dk was fun
b.) I could spec out of it whenever I liked
In conclusion, your tired old argument is still both wrong and dumb.
Stop peddling your lies
You could spec holy for your second spec “whenever you wanted” since wotlk. Why did it take until shafowlands for you to do this?
Couldn’t have been one of these could it?
Loot satchels for healing/tanking
Adaptive gear
Tri spec
Exc.
You said you pvp and raid as shadow, but you healed for dungeons? Could that have been in part because even with all the changes retail has to encourage tanking and healing, you still had a wait time as a dps for dungeons?
So even with tri spec and a half dozen other changes designed to encourage healer and tank participants, dps still have a wait time in retail
Dual spec, an extra tank class with DKs, mechanics to encourage farming dungeons, and lfd in wotlk still had 45+ minutes wait for dps to get into dungeons on average.
Dual spec doesn’t fix the tank/healer shortage.
You can already do this.
50g is NOTHING in tbcc.
You can get that gold by doing a few easy dailies.
Heck you can spec healer for doing the daily dungeon and daily heroic and you are close to that 100g to spec back to shadow between mob drops and quest rewards.
Then add in you can charge groups for your service and you can net profit…
I specced disc and healed occasionally in wrath, but didn’t really feel pve healing back then. I also had zero problems finding a group as dps because there were always lots of tanks and healers around (probably because of dual spec tbh).
I didn’t need any of those incentives to play; pve (and pvp) holy was genuinely fun, and when a spec is fun to play on its own merits, the rest follows natually. The rewards and (slightly) faster queue times were just the icing.
Honestly the main reason I started healing was because I am genuinely just better at healing than most rands, and it was one of the best ways to ensure we would time a key.
Keep grasping at wrong conclusions, though.
Yeah it does. If only ONE extra person tanks or heals thanks to dual spec (or unresticted spec swapping), it is improved by a non-zero amount. I was literally that person. Case closed
Yeah no thanks, I’m not spending 100g worth of taxed time to literally get back to where I started before I start to actually make a profit. I’d rather just not play, which, to be honest is pretty much where I’m at for now. Wrath waiting room.
Well, sounds like you didn’t really want to play tbcc then.
But you will have dual spec in wotlkc, so there’s that.
And it can turn someone who did tank into a dps because they raid tank but don’t want to heroic tank. Or they just stop doing dungeons for gold (healers included) because they can spec dps and go do dailies, or have an aoe farm build and not feel the need to do dungeons for gold (especially those who sold their services).
It goes both ways.
You become a +1, someone else becomes a -1.
Even then, wrath had 45+ minute wait for dps (once heroics were no longer relevant for the majority, aka few months after launch, just like we are now in tbcc), that was with a new tank class, easier heroics (aoe farm fests…) more incentives to spam heroics, exc.
Dual spec doesn’t fix the shortage.
You think ONE extra person switching to tanks or heals thanks to dual spec is going to fix the tank/healer shortage?
That’s just hyperbolic and a bit ridiculous.
The funny part is he ignores how dual spec can remove tanks and healers from doing dungeons as well.
Maybe they need to make a wrath baby forum because all these welfare wanting crybabies are drowning the Tbcc forums in tears of entitlement and self importance.
Do you know the difference in the definition of “fix” and “improve?” The dictionary is your friend. It helps you to understand what people mean when they post.
The point is dual spec doesn’t improve anything.
Did you even read the quote I responded to? I’ll quote it again for you since you seem to be a little lost.
Please work on your reading comprehension.
Glyphs are not required for dual spec to function, in fact it worked just fine if you were completely unglyphed.
Except for the things dual spec does improve, like the tank/healer shortage or participation in more areas of the game.
When you use the word ‘except’ one would expect something actually based in fact and not your totally biased speculation.
Youre free to speculate while not providing so much as a hint of complimentary data but there’s nothing to suggest I have to take your word for it - so I wont. There’s a mountain of empirical evidence to the contrary as well. Its been posted above in case you missed it.
All you get with dual specs is added personal convenience. That’s it.
Sorry we know dual spec both increases the number of tank/healers and increases participation different areas of the game like pvp.
In other words “I’m right, you’re wrong, and everyone knows it”.
Not the most intellectually compelling argument (probably why you need to apologize before posting it) but it is effective with most folks as most folks are easily swayed by consensus … even the illusion of consensus can be very effective.
Even so I’ll just remind you thats not factually credible and thus null and void in a real debate.
But since this isnt a debate (dual specs are a pipe dream) and you arent for real there’s nothing really stopping you from posting garbage so I say have at it.
Post all the useless tripe you want.
What is so amusing is you don’t realize your post is not based in fact and is your totally biased speculation.
I began to heal with my druid when dual spec was added. Many others say they tanked or healed when it was added. One could claim it didn’t improve the lack of tanks and healers enough but you can not claim it didn’t improve the situation. If you have any data provide a link to it.
But they are part of wrath dual spec and were part of the whole talent overhaul, just stating a fact.