You mean other than how they’ve flat out stated that QoL changes are on the table regardless of whether they were in TBC originally or not and the many changes they’ve made that are exactly that?
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Where have they stated dual specs in particular are on the table again? Or are you just assuming it based on faulty data in service to a biased narrative?
Was the arena ratings change a popular QoL change too?
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Oh thanks for pointing out yet another change from how things were in TBC originally further demonstrating how little blizzard cares about “that’s just the way it was”
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Great job answering those questions Zir. You even made a friend.
I guess you dont have to since you just told me and the rest of the forum that Blizzard doesnt care about TBC. Oh no wait, they care very little. As in, allchanges. So what do they care about then Zir since youre claiming knowledge thereof? Since you know they care very little about TBC maybe you can tell me what they do care about. Seems reasonable I think.
I guess you kinda answered tho huh? If they cared very little for TBC then dual specs would be here on the allchanges train you think theyre driving - at least according to your very recent commentary. Hmm, theyre not though. Wierd.
I guess that means they do care at least a somewhat decent amount. Or if there’s anything they care very little about its dual specs in TBC.
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I seem to have confused and enraged him by pointing out blizzard doesn’t particularly care about “that’s not how it was” as an argument in TBC Classic.
They care enough not to add dual specs or even address the topic. That much is obvious.
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1, some is not a quantitative number; it just means more than none; the statement is factual. Ergo, it will require some effort.
2. In all technicalities, toggling between two talent trees is dual purpose not specialized, specs is short for specialization and refers to talent build that ultimately classify your role in groups.
3. Fact, you can’t dispute this,
4. Yes this is subjective but still valid
5. Current system functions fine for deep spec talent builds, augmented with partial off spec trees, prot/ret or prot/holy…priest, disc/holy or holy/disc, not gonna go into how 10 more lvls and glyphs muddied the talent trees and made toggling specs the easy mode rather than utilizing hybrid utility builds.
6.subjective, but valid in the argument that 2 roles are harder to master than one
7.“oh my an arrow has pierced my armor, quick sir tanksalot, remove your armor and switch over to your robes of healing and mend my wounds before I bleed out” nuff said
8. It happens, alot
9. You can raid ,dungeon. And bg with same specs, compete is subjective and in context should be regarded as playing with intent to win,not garunteed to win
10. Fact, need to carry more gear to properly take advantage of talent build and usually require gear sets with polar opossite attributes
11. When will it be implemented, 40? Most of what I’ve heard peeps only really want it for endgame raiding and pvp, casual by nature doesn’t care its what makes them casual
12. If this wasn’t true then why not just pay and respec. Its the way the game works, deny it all you want but crying about having to create templates. Travel to a trainer, reorganize action bars and swap gear, whew that sounds like alot of effort, think I’ll make sure to plan my build with care . Sucks but, that is the way
13. Nobody cares about tantrums over not getting something you want, qol is the real strawman and is definable as a subjective interpretation of what makes the avg player want to play.
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Casual players very much do care about dual spec, it’s not a min max tool, it’s a tool to participate in more areas of the game. Something casual players very much do care about, and what makes you think there aren’t casual players at max level?
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The players are min/max. Nothing else matters.
Sure it does. My big limiting factor in getting into groups is my lack of talents for both roles. I will gladly run dungeons/heroics I need but so often they just need a tank or healer. Sucks to be stuck paying 50g to Respec and 50 to go back. For raid day to do a few dungeons a week. I won’t tank on my warrior or heal on my pali till duel spec is released. This isn’t saying I want it in tbc but will gladly do it come wrath
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Are you a casual player or a lobby queen? What lvl? 10, 20, 30, 35, 40, or 70 ? “From what I hear,” or I should say is what I don’t hear is casuals talking about dual spec. I run a leveling guild on a mega server, and it never comes up in chat, so in that respect I am only speaking for myself and providing an observation.
I didn’t answer what level I answered why casual players would want dual spec.
Obviously dual spec becomes more relevant at higher levels so sure if you run a leveling guild where noone is above 40 they likely don’t care.
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Casuals are 1 to 70 and what level you have access to the feature are relevant to casuals want, when does it benefit, 10 when you have 1 point, or 19 or 40 This is a huge consideration when factoring motivational carrots to leveling where early builds are less specialized vs endgame builds, these are things you all neglect to talk about and focus on endgame
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Technically it starts benefiting you at level 10 when you have a single talent point. What level does it really start matter? Well I answered that the higher level the more relevant it becomes.
And honestly if someone wants to drop 1k gold on dual spec at level 10 who cares?
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Nah, killed illidan week 1 then unsubbed til wrath 2ez
1, some is not a quantitative number; it just means more than none; the statement is factual. Ergo, it will require some effort.
I don’t disagree with this, but it is not a reason not to do it.
2. In all technicalities, toggling between two talent trees is dual purpose not specialized, specs is short for specialization and refers to talent build that ultimately classify your role in groups.
I don’t understand your point, I have already refuted your statement that it goes against dedicated class and roles by enlightening you as to the fact that dual spec was implemented in wrath, therefore a dedicated class role and spec was not a factor
3. Fact, you can’t dispute this,
you completely ignore the other changes that have been made, which completely undermines this point to its absolute core
4. Yes this is subjective but still valid
I’ll take that as you conceding this point
5. Current system functions fine for deep spec talent builds, augmented with partial off spec trees, prot/ret or prot/holy…priest, disc/holy or holy/disc, not gonna go into how 10 more lvls and glyphs muddied the talent trees and made toggling specs the easy mode rather than utilizing hybrid utility builds.
Avoided my entire response with whatever this drivel is, my point stands, expecting someone to level up a new character of the same class to play a different role is not the way this game was built from day 1, and has never existed this way.
6.subjective, but valid in the argument that 2 roles are harder to master than one
this is meaningless, you made a sweeping generalization that is absolutely incorrect. People have leveled alts for 18 years and swapped mains throughout expansions, with a deep understanding of multiple classes/specializations
7.“oh my an arrow has pierced my armor, quick sir tanksalot, remove your armor and switch over to your robes of healing and mend my wounds before I bleed out” nuff said
No, what? what are you even saying? Are you RPing on forums talking about game balance and design?
8. It happens, alot
No, it doesn’t happen a lot. Nobody forces anyone to play the game at gunpoint.
9. You can raid ,dungeon. And bg with same specs, compete is subjective and in context should be regarded as playing with intent to win,not garunteed to win
provide me a link to a youtube video of you raiding in one spec while geared for another or I’ll assume you’ve conceded this point as well
10. Fact, need to carry more gear to properly take advantage of talent build and usually require gear sets with polar opossite attributes
Again - not a problem. I carry a full set of gear for where I’m going for the day, bags full of consumables as well as off-pieces for hit rating in case our moonkin is absent, plenty of bank slots and zero issues.
11. When will it be implemented, 40? Most of what I’ve heard peeps only really want it for endgame raiding and pvp, casual by nature doesn’t care its what makes them casual
I don’t know that the minutiae of when it becomes available is important to the discussion, or sway the argument in any direction. I’ll take this as you conceding this point too
12. If this wasn’t true then why not just pay and respec. Its the way the game works, deny it all you want but crying about having to create templates. Travel to a trainer, reorganize action bars and swap gear, whew that sounds like alot of effort, think I’ll make sure to plan my build with care . Sucks but, that is the way
Because it’s a huge waste of time, and I don’t like doing it - pretty transparent. I don’t care about the gold, I farmed enough to last me until the middle of Wrath. I’ve said many many times, I don’t care if they keep the gold cost in, I want the spec/gear profile switching built into the game. Blizzard has stated their intention to make these types of addons not necessary, and have included these capabilities ever since wrath. TBCC is based on the legion client, so it’s all there.
13. Nobody cares about tantrums over not getting something you want, qol is the real strawman and is definable as a subjective interpretation of what makes the avg player want to play.
Patrick Dawson, who is the lead developer, disagrees with you. The tantrums are coming from gatekeeping nochangers like yourself, not from people asking politely for QoL changes
No one above 40, is that meant as an insult? Lol, we got members running pretty much every instance but stocks. I paid a level 10, 10 g to sign my guild charter a month ago, and now he’s lvl 61, and we been running dungeons together. I got tired of bracket min maxing solo, so I formed a guild and poured my resources and knowledge of twink building and applied it to leveling. That’s all here and there and the subject of a less toxic thread but In saying that I think that I’m a better voice to speak for casual levelers than a solo lvl 70 raidlogger
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Which amazingly doesn’t address either of my answers. Dual spec becomes more relevant as you get higher in level, and plenty of casual players would in fact use dual spec.
When can we address the fact they’re not here rather than the opinions that say they should be? Seems like a more interesting hot take when dual specs are nowhere on the radar.
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And that pretty much somes up this whole argument. Laziness
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