Why argue for dual spec?

OK bear with me here, I know this is going to be tough to swallow.

In today’s metagame, locking yourself into a spec for RP reasons doesn’t matter. Blizzard knows this.

Do you see how literally every one of your statements about why some changes were made can easily be replaced with dual spec and still hold true?

1 Like

Except your not locked into it.
You can chose to change specs at a cost of gold, which is supposed to equate as an intentional time sink. It was intentionally designed that way.

This is a cool thread that’s been going on for so long. I bet if we keep asking for DS they will add it guys. In fact let’s keep asking for it until Wrath of the Lich King Classic. I’m sure they will add it then :wink:

1 Like

Show me a single change made so far that had a clear NO from the origional tbc devs like dual spec does.

This is tbcc, a game that is supposed to at least attempt to recreate tbc experience. This is not wow 2.0. This is not tbcSoM if they add dual spec to tbcSoM I WILL BE FINE WITH THAT. But until tbcc has run its course, it shouldn’t be altered in a way that goes directly agaist clearly shown design goal intentions from the origional game.

Tbc is not wotlk. I want to play tbc, not tbc with wotlk design goals forced into it.

You don’t make a remake of a game and change the very core of its design and call it a remake, at that point its a remaster, which is not what tbcc is.

A 1,000g Cost for Dual spec would also equate to an intentional time sink :wink:

1 Like

http s://www.bluetracker.g g/wow/topic/eu-en/4009631426-seal-of-blood/

They said NO to Seal of Blood. ¯\ _ (ヅ)_/¯

Nice find.

Redheadchild, is that enough proof for you that they said no to seal of blood? Is your argument destroyed? I think so.

But please, continue.

The change was made for the tiny faction of min/max players while the vast majority who wouldn’t have picked horde over alliance because of the different seals were deprived of the flavor the original game intended. You claim both you and the devs care about the flavor of the original game but clearly neither of you do. The devs make decisions contrary to that flavor and you make up stories to rationalize those decisions because you think it helps your case against dual spec. It’s all bullsht you’re making up on the fly

Far less in the long run.

I respec twice a week (pve saturday sunday, pvp the rest of the week). That’s 100g a week that’s 10 weeks to meet that 1k gold. That’s not even the lifespan of one of the phases.

I intend to ask for it until it’s added. It’s not like it takes a serious investment of time or energy to type a few sentences every now and then. I just typed this post in under a minute. I had the same commitment when I argued to ban input broadcasting software. If it hadn’t been banned during classic I’d still be arguing for that ban in TBCC.

“There are currently no plans for any changes in this regard, but we will of course let you know if it is ever decided to make any such changes.”

This is an open “maybe, but not right now” statement.

Compare that to this

bluetracker.gg/wow/topic/us-en/98646792-we-need-free-respecs-or-spec-swapping/

Which is a much harder “no, and it’s not changing any time soon”

But feel free to interpret them for yourself.

1 Like

:clown_face:

Oh, missed the fact that someone already linked this.

You’re hilarious buddy. Here’s the TBC devs saying they WANT to implement Dual Spec and had been working on it since at least June 2008:

You’re oblivious to your own double standards and hypocrisy. The TBC devs changed their minds after seeing the need to implement a system to get more people participating in more aspects of the game.

2 Likes

You’re “No” is different from my “No” there for it’s not the same. Move that goal post I guess.

“no plans for any changes in this regard” =/= a clear NO

But you already knew that.

For a tiny minority of players it would save them gold. For the vast majority who never or rarely respec the 1,000 gold would be much more than they would have spent. For me the 1k gold cost would be 990 more gold then I spent in both classic and TBCC to respec.

Nah, that blue post is 100% saying no, and do you know why it was saying no? Because they didn’t give it to alliance in TBC.

That means, that it was actually, a no. How are you convincing yourself otherwise?

They didn’t implement Seal of the Martyr until WoTLK.
They didn’t implement Dual Spec until WoTLK.

They had no plans to implement Seal of the Martyr early in TBC.
They had no plans to implement Dual Spec early in TBC.

Their plans changed on both fronts. We have Seal of the Martyr in TBC Classic. It’s a change, a change that along with their Seal Twisting change has a significant impact on the game, far more than I realized it would.

Seal of the Martyr on Alliance changes the game more than Dual Spec does.

How often does Blizzard say “no” in a definitive matter? Stop gaslighting.

1 Like

This has been stated ad nauseum, redheadchild disagrees entirely that seals are more integral to gameplay than dual spec, because wrath dual spec means you’re not grinding gold as often, which is changing your gameplay.

It’s some really backwards logic that applies to literally only one thing - cost. Which is - why I think we should be asking for dual spec profiles first without changing gold cost - once that’s in place then you folks who don’t want to grind for gold can have that discussion separately.

Just so everyone is aware of who we’re arguing with:

127 runs to get a 25% drop rate item.

(1-(1-(0.75^127)))*100 = 1.3576269507870056608242826312256e-14

or

0.000000000000013576269507870056608242826312256

or

1 in 7,365,793,669,758,999 odds of that outcome happening. 1 in 7.3 Quadrillion.

Or you can just call it a statistical impossibility.

That’s not even close to the only bizarre claim he’s made, but this should show you what you’re arguing with.

Got dual spec yet?