Why are you torturing the horde?

Like the Tarren Hill/South shore thing where the questing brought the alliance in to a town next to a horde leveling path town 10 levels higher than the horde comes into there?

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I’m involved in the dream stuff and I’m not a druid, and I guess if someone is in a picture with someone else they have to also be just like them? I think your concerns are small and pointless.

Lol at brushing off major Alliance benefits. Also have you seen the Alliance Outriders in the Barrens?

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Sticking to the topic of travel: where’s the boat that connects South Shore to a major Alliance city?

Off topic: Where is the quest where Alliance summons an elite 10 levels higher than the players in Tarren Mill? I don’t remember having to deal with stealth raids of Syndicate 5 levels higher than the players in Tarren Mill. :stuck_out_tongue:

Have you seen the pack of Horde scouts that patrol eastern Loch Modan?

So what you are saying is this isn’t some massive anti-Alliance bias and instead impacts both factions?! MADNESS!!!

That is exactly what I said.

You mean the ones that are out of the way and not patrolling the main road like they do in the Barrens?

Lets not, because that’s really not that big of a deal in the overall.

Let’s talk about levelling zones and number of quests.

Like why the horde needs around 165 less quests to get Loremaster in vanilla zones prior to Cata.

Or why the Alliance has something like the Onyxia attunement quest chain and horde got a game of tag with Rexxar.

They aren’t out of the way. They don’t patrol around in some remote corner of the map. They patrol right where people are killing mobs for quests.

Uldir. Really cool raid instance that was “recently” added to the game with a lot of neat story behind it. Alliance had practically nothing leading up to it. We just went there to explore for funsies.

But again, not patrolling the main road to the next zone, right?

Very relevant to the discussion of how due to time constraints there was actually a difference in game play quality in EK/Kalimdor between the factions until Cata, despite the revisionist history that wants to tell us Horde has always had it better.

TBF, it’s not really the Dream that’s under attack.

Fyrakk is specifically coming for Amirdrassil. The World Tree that was created from a seed containing the souls lost in the War of Thorns, and the future of the Night Elven people.

So, of course the Night Elves are more involved in this story than the other races. It really is far more story-centric to that race as a whole, not really the druids.

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The Alliance Outriders are not always on the main road. Want to talk about Stitches? He is always on the main road (except for when he spawns and heads for the road, but he is not hostile during that time). In fact sometimes the Darkshire guards bug out and he stands in the middle of Darkshire where nothing attacks him. People walk out of the Inn and get decimated by him.

I never claimed Horde always had it better. I claimed Horde had it better when it came to travel and racials. My experience playing both factions was that Horde didn’t have to deal with the travel issues as often that Alliance players do. I find it quite relevant when it comes to players that did not raid end game. Players that spent a lot of time leveling and making alts. It says nothing about what Horde has to experience in terms of fewer quests. Alliance definitely spend a stupid amount of time running back and forth.

Didn’t do it in Cata nor BFA and the whole Horde stood up to Garrosh who was the one who betrayed the Horde.

I mean, you dismissed a good article about the state of the game at launch and the problems the horde had due to the devs running out of time after polishing the alliance just with your specific travel and racial things, despite that not being relevant to a lot of the problems.

The only reason why any of that happened is because of their psychotic warchief that got a pass because she was the head writers bae.

I wouldn’t have spent the time to give my opinion on a piece of it if I was going to dismiss it. I chose to discuss something that is fresh in my mind because I am currently playing Classic. The article is good in that it gives a view from a Horde perspective, but completely downplays any negatives to playing Alliance.

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I note you still don’t seem to want to acknowledge all the big problems like less quests, less zones in favor of pointing out that horde has some good racials (and alliance has some too) and there’s some issues the alliance has about travel while downplaying the horde ones.

You seem to think I have no issues with such problems. I have stated multiple times, which you seem to ignore over and over again, that there are positives and negatives on both sides.

I still subscribe to the ‘you break you, you bought it’ ownership patch. give the elves their new house, we cleaned up Undercity for you guys.

here, I’ll even sweeten the deal. If you guys just protect the tree, we’ll just help with the UC renovations cause Sylvanas is definitely not coming back for that one to fix it after blowing it up with ooze. I would do dailies for a patch rebuilding your sewers. Although I’m not entirely sure why you wouldn’t just live uptop at this point but I’m not here to judge, the sewers are undoubtedly cooler.

But then you guys have to help with GIlneas. Some day we gotta really fix that place up. Eventually we can get to all the “Man we really blew this place back to nothing” spots.

I would spend a whole patch building Tauren stuff in Southern Barrens to make up for Cata stuff. I don’t mind giving the Horde focus if it’s less about building more cartoonish animosity between us. Like there’s only so much “and then they did this to us” that I can take after like all these wars and every time, every single time we just team up to take on someone worse because they want to kill us all or blow up the planet. Feuding is pointless when that keeps happening.

They’re still Warchief.

The Horde betrayed their leadership time and again. Especially those Blood Elves who were in constant talks in-game and in the books of wanting to defect. Their own incompetence, backstabbing, and antagonizing the Alliance and Silver Covenant is why it always failed.