Just because you choose to run your simplistic 20 year old raid content in a gold buyer lobby doesn’t make you superior. Also the implication that you think these people are ‘vetted’ is hilarious. People just look for gold buyers and ask them to flash gold in trade chat and take them in. It’s entirely driven by gold buying and the few GDKPs that aren’t? People get low pay outs and don’t bother going again.
So your anecdotal evidence is one person buying gold??
Do you know how many people by gold to literally raid log??
Not one is saying people don’t buy gold, burn purely blaming gdkp for it is 100% wrong.
But this is all meaningless, gdkps aren’t gonna be banned.
Deal with it.
My raid method doesn’t my skills do.
I’m prolly far better at this game than you could ever hope to be.
That’s just the sad truth.
No, being a gnome makes them superior obviously. And playing wrath, they’re way cooler for playing the bestest version of the game.
Here’s a compromise. Let’s start banning people who take traded gold off gold buyers then. Maybe we’ll put your vetting to the test.
“I boost gold buyers so I’m really good at the game you guys”
No, you’re shameless is what you are.
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ONE person? My sweet summer child there were 10+ on the low end. GDKP is one part of the problem. Sorry that you look silly for lacking reading comprehension in what Khanzy said. “Drinknblink”
I don’t boost them, good players have gold.
This is what you don’t get, you could buy 500k gold and you’re so bad you cause a wipe or fail a mechanic and you get kicked.
They don’t need your gold they need you to perform to kill bosses.
This is what you don’t seem to understand.
Gdkps are so popular because they vet bad players out and make a raid environment that actually does th content.
Like I said show me 2 discords of MS/OS or SR or HR that does that.
Maybe if they did and were organized and only for the better players they would be successful at it, but they don’t.
I doubt there is MS/OS discords because it’s the default for most guilds. We don’t need to hide our interactions out of game with gold buyers. You are absolutely delusional if you think GDKPs aren’t seeded with gold buyers. That level of organization is a symptom of needing them to survive.
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Honestly great points here.
They constantly say their issue is with the RMT but always attack GDKP’s instead of the bots or actual act of buying gold. It legit feels like they use RMT as a weapon against GDKP’s for unrelated, biased, agendas.
Also, as mentioned GDKP’s were not a thing in Vanilla Era of WoW and yet RMT was thriving back then as well… Killing GDKP’s isn’t going to suddenly end RMT or even put a dent in it.
Honestly, it more so feels like these are people who don’t know how to manage their in game money. The same kind of people who hate AH addons because they can’t figure out how to play the AH and as such are poor as heck so they probably can’t afford to run GDKP’s and most likely don’t have the skills to get in as a carry. If I were to make a judgement it’s that they don’t like GDKP not because of RMT but because they don’t benefit from it and hate it for that reason.
Free Roll groups suck. GDKP has been one of the best community developments to the pugging scene for handling loot in a way that even if you don’t get gear you walk away with something for your time.
While I have not personally taken part of any GDKP’s in SoD yet, I have a group of guildies we regularly run with, I still think GDKP’s are healthy and not the problem but that people are trying to use RMT to paint it as a problem out of their own shortcomings.
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GDKP’s were not a thing in Vanilla Era of WoW
Your point is non sense. Just because RMT was used for less things then does not mean that it isn’t used for more things now. GDKPs did not exist back then. They exist now. You’re telling me the loot system in which people compete for items with gold doesn’t attract gold buyers? Get real.
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I’ll let you figure out the common denominator here.
Also population size scales with inflation rates. The more people actively playing on a server, the more gold being generated and circulated with no method of exhaustion. Vanilla has more or less zero major gold sinks. 1000g for epic mounts/riding was hardly a blip for OG Vanilla, let alone now with the hyper efficiency we have in our play. Even if you bought a bunch of Bottomless Bags at bloated prices, it isn’t anything extreme. TBCC had this same exact issue where people could just buy Haris Pilton bags without batting an eye because there was nothing else to spend money on. There is simply a ton of money to go around.
This has nothing to do with RMT. Buyers are folks with gear enough to do the raid but still need several items. Carries are folks with virtually nothing to roll on because they’re BiS and will compensate for weaker geared folks and those that simply aren’t as good at the game to ensure a super smooth clear.
People that play the AH specifically target folks that have gold and are eager to part ways with it for items they actually need. That’s why herbs with no value sell for virtually nothing, but herbs that make meta consumables go for a premium. There’s nothing wrong with wanting to make gold using in-game methods and social organizations.
Yes yes we all saw the same video, you can stop acting uniquely scandalized by it. I ran non-stop GDKPs throughout Classic all the way through to Naxx and saw several Gressils and KotS and other top quality items go for… no more than 30-40k at most. I got my own KotS for 10k. Having a year of alts and my main run GDKPs with pretty average and below-average final pots still meant I had gobs and gobs of gold just laying around by the time Naxx was on farm.
You’re arguing one guy who claimed he got all that money with DM runs is somehow representative of GDKPs writ-large. That’s called “being stupid on purpose”. Don’t be stupid on purpose.
This is true. Outside of my own guild’s speed runs, only GDKP runs seemed to go super fast, super smooth, and super efficient. No one showed up without consumables or wbuffs. No one dinked around on trash. No one AFK’d for 5 min at a time the moment a boss died.
I mean for crying out loud, GDKPs were making AQ40 cleared in the time it took my OG Vanilla guild to just get through the C’thun hallway after Twins.
People are actually motivated to get to the end and compete because there’s guaranteed reward at the end of the run and veteran players are motivated to coach/guide/lead folks for the exact same reward.
It is no wonder that GDKPs completely obliterated the soft-reserve and MS/OS PuGs in terms of popularity. The only folks avoiding GDKPs like the plague were folks coping hard about ‘muh gold purity’ and ‘muh spirit of classic’ or those that simply sucked SO BAD they couldn’t actually keep pace with an effortless but fast run.
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I’m beginning to sense a pattern with “Human looking” characters, retail players, and having a disingenuous argument.
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If this was true then why do we turn down extremely rich players who are bad?
What you’re saying is wrong.
The fact is for pugs gdkp is the far superior system, that’s why you don’t see the other loot rules as discords.
Waiting for you to link 1-2 pug discords that use MS/OS or anything else besides gdkp.
Guess I’ma be waiting for ever.
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You pug? Through discord? Sorry buddy, I only raid with my friends and do guild recruiting. And your rich players excuse, yeah, tell that to the many other accounts of fishing suckers into buying things for conflated prices. Your “But I saw” accounts don’t mean anything to my own “I saw” account.
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By this you mean you’re not going to answer me. Alright.
This has nothing to do with RMT. Buyers are folks with gear enough to do the raid but still need several items.
Delusional. They buy gold to progress in gear. They are carried by players that do not bid other than to run the price up on items so they can milk more out of gold buyers. Tell me you haven’t been in a discord call for a GDKP and had a bunch of people go “OH GOD THAT’S BIS TIL NAX BRO I SEEN THAT GO FOR 20K, OH WOW REALLY THAT’S CHEAP I SEEN IT FOR 50K”. You can’t honestly tell me that because that is a common factor in GDKPs. The whole system is about milking gold buyers and your meek attempts to defend this system of money laundering does not reflect reality.
and those that simply aren’t as good at the game to ensure a super smooth clear.
So which is it? They’re good at the game and have lots of gold or bad at the game and have lots of gold. Hmm, it seemed earlier the point being made was that if you were good, you had gold. Now it’s about boosting bad players. But surely that’s not lucrative unless… they were buying gold.
There’s nothing wrong with wanting to make gold using in-game methods and social organizations.
Going out of the way to gather gold buyers in bad gear so you can milk them dry fooling them into bidding on any old trash in the raid for exorbitant amounts of money is not ‘social organization’. It’s money laundering RMT’d gold.
you can stop acting uniquely scandalized by it
I was in his guild. We were progressing naxx. Do you realise how demotivating and pathetic it is to see one of your fellow guild members literally just buy the end result of a raid you’re only starting to prog in for the first time?
You’re arguing one guy who claimed he got all that money with DM runs is somehow representative of GDKPs writ-large.
No, the fact that I could turn upto any GDKP on Whitemane and witness people blowing tens of thousands of gold on bad items is representative of GDKPs and their connection with RMT. They don’t respect the gold because they buy it. It’s rampant and GDKP hosts go out of their way to ask people to flash cash. They seed their runs with gold buyers. Gold buyers suck at the game. They think they can change this by buying their way into BIS. Any implication that these customers are ‘actually good at the game’ is a joke. If you guys were so good at the game you’d only be taking other good players. I think they have a name for that… a guild? You go out of your way to take these bad players not out of some sort of charity but because you know they’ll pay exorbitant amounts of gold on anything you shill hard enough. You’re not fooling me. I’ve witnessed it countless times.
That’s called “being stupid on purpose”. Don’t be stupid on purpose.
You’re clearly very emotional about this considering you keep flaming. I guess if I was as shameless as you I’d be vehement about defending my gold buying customers too. Do we talk about how carries sell the gold they get and how that is directly participating in RMT? Oh that’s a dirty little secret though isn’t it. You’d all get banned if people started actually investigating that.
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If this was true then why do we turn down extremely rich players who are bad?
Ah we’re pretending GDKPs aren’t run on the principle of carrying bad players with gold to bid on items. We’re pretending they aren’t a form of boosting but some gentleman’s agreement amongst only the top elite players to trade gold. Wasn’t the argument you were making earlier something to do with ‘not wasting their time with bad players’? Why the need for gold to change hands if you’re all just great at the game? Why is that frustration you brought up earlier of ‘losing rolls to bad players’ lacking that crucial element of having any bad players at all? This just doesn’t add up. Guess I’ma be waiting forever for that to make sense.
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You were answered, more fully than you deserved, and in great detail. If you’re going to just get flustered because I didn’t slot my answer into the specific frame and form you demanded, you’re not really worth the time.
GDKPs are fine, RMT is not, a banwave just hit more RMT folks, and yet GDKPs will persist, and no one here is complaining about the banwave that runs GDKPs.
I’ll leave you to your thoughts. Ignored.
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I wonder if you gdkp and parse a level 25 raid. GDKPs suck and you’re delusional, goodbye.
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“I’ll let you figure it out” and then immediately cutting off to other points because it’s inconvenient to answer something isn’t ‘great detail’. Just letting you know that.
GDKPs are fine, RMT is not
GDKPs is just money laundering for RMT. They’re bad for the game. The reason they persist is because gold buyers, people who buy boosts, and participate in GDKPs are some of the most pathetic people playing this game. They will continue attempting to pay their way. You think it stops and dies because of ban waves? Oh man, go look at MOBAs and their boosting scenes. Bans hit those players. They buy another account. But you seem to be under the delusion that this doesn’t happen on MMOs.
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