Why anti duel spec?

WoW Classic Cataclysm Classic Discussion
281

Probably lower than they are currently, as LFD gives players an instant group of correct roles, so no warden shaman, teleportation to the instance, and for heroics, a currency used for gear.

You’re forgetting why the tank shortage didn’t increase after as while in LK, which was the fact that the currency used for gear was also used for heirlooms, which only existed as a single piece of gear needing to be manually mailed from character to character, so the need for that currency was high, and I mean high.

LFD would make a bigger impact on the tank shortage than Dual spec, and together they would work great hand in hand.

But we’re only talking about dual spec by itself, so please stop deflecting as cope.

282

This is so true though.

The sad thing is I could totally see people arguing for LFD in TBC…

“If you want to run/fly to the instance then go ahead and do it!”

:man_facepalming:

283

Ironically that’s the reason I still sometimes pug tank when I’d rather not. When I’m skint and can’t respect DPS to do some pugs I sometimes Tank them. I’d rather not though. I enjoy Tanking for friends but hate Tanking for strangers.

284

“You don’t have to use LFD. Just make the group manually.”

2 Likes
285

“But I work and have kids and not having it mucks up my instant gratification!”

“Some of us have lives and can’t afford to actually play the game to get rewarded from it”.

Entitlement.

People need to understand that epics are just purple pixels. They only represent the level of effort it takes to get them. They hold no value beyond that. Developing your character in an MMO is meant to be a social grind. A ladder of cooperation.

2 Likes
286

Ugh I can feel these quotations in my bones and it gives me the heeby jeebies,

287

I know we’re going at each other in a different thread, but atleast we can still agree that dual spec, and LFD don’t belong in TBC

1 Like
288

I’ve said it before and damn I’ll say it again.

I got out leveled by a prot paladin in nagrand because he could kill 6-10 mobs faster as a tank than I could kill 2-3 mobs as a pure dps class.

Tank leveling isn’t hard.

Warriors have their full dps kit.
Bear is literally cat.
Prot paladin consecrate go brrrr.

2 Likes
289

With no other changes, the time for dps to get into a group would not change significantly. probably a 5% change in time. The population of people grouping up wouldn’t be changing. you can attempt to make a case that more people would attempt to do dungeons because of the queue alone, but considering the time dungeons take, and the effort involved, i don’t think enough people would actually state “I only do dungeons because of the dungeon finder”

In a short period of time, there would be a small increase in tanks, for people wanting to try the class, but it would eventually level out back to what is now normal because the majority of people who would stick to a new tank class is going to be people who already tank. There has been no change to the true reason people don’t tank.

This is mostly a pointless question because it’s unique to every person. some people watch shows while waiting, some people have no patience, some people grind mobs.

None of this needs to be tested because your premise if flawed. If you had a different “better” reason to add dual spec, but as long as your reasoning is “But the tanks” its waste of time.

This is for the majority of people, strictly wrong.
Most people don’t want to tank, and most people Don’t like tanking.
If for some reason you are unaware of this, let me add some perspective.

Tanking brings a lot of stress to many players. If the group wipes, the tank is often held responsible. If threat is lost be the tank, the tank is often scolded. The tank is responsible for the group, the tank needs to know what targets to kill, and in what order, and thus needs to understand the whole dungeon ahead of time.
Even if these points are false, the sentiment still exists and that’s all that matters.
There’s more. Tanking is a dependent role. You generally don’t have a lot of personal ability as a tank. ie in dungeon, you have to trust your healer to survive. many dps have tools to kite, slow/ survive on their own, but its a tanks job to take the damage, and hope the healer heals, and hope the dps do damage.

Tanking is a (for the most part) a sacrificial role, and most people don’t wanna do that.

3 Likes
290

Except they’re not really comparable at all.

LFD had significant disadvantages to not using, Dual spec does not. Hence Dual Spec is really entirely optional whereas LFD ended up not being so.

291

Won’t you think of the healers?!

(ignoring that pure healing was given spell damage partial co-efficients and healers can now breezily level).

292

I mean they do work hand in hand, dual spec in combination with LFD, and incentives does make dps have a faster queue time.

But there is a lot more than just dual spec that goes into it.

I’m just dropping both @ Zipzo because we’re discussing dual spec in a different thread.

293

Healers? Christ my ptsd. I leveled a Holy Paladin from 1-68. I quested most of 60-68. The auto attacking. The damned auto attacking. I’m so used to quick stabs that long slow stabs just drained me.

Still wouldn’t want dual spec, even for her.

1 Like
294

How do you figure that?

I think making the raid wait for me to zone and retrain rather than simply toggle spec is a disadvantage. I’d think twice about bringing someone into a raid who held the raid up unnecessarily like that.

The thing about adding features in a social game like an mmo is that they become necessary. How many people chose not to use a dual spec in WoTLK when it was released? Some chose to use it for PVP (which some guilds frowned upon).

295

Lol F those guilds. “Hey we need you to dual spec into this other pve spec as well.” lol no, it’s pvp spec every time.

1 Like
296

Whatever the times would be, adding another tank should lower the times, and adding dual-spec should also lower the times. There is also a kind of upper-limit on the amount of time people are willing to spend in queue before they give up. When people queue and see one hour, they often just drop queue and go do something else.

And in some cases this “go do something else” means “go play another game”. This was the case with horde queue times and why Blizzard felt it was necessary to introduce a pretty radical change, same-faction queues.

Though I think people are more likely to see in a queue where they know there is an end, than in a group with a bunch of other people where you may or may not get a tank.

In any case, dual-spec would increase the number of tanks. Period. Maybe not enough to “justify” a change, or maybe it would. I guess we’ll never know.

297

Agreed but it did happen.

We can all pretend sweaty neckbeards don’t exist but unfortunately they do. “More flexibility” is often a carrot on a stick in a game people min/max the heck out of like wow.

298

If you join a pug raid you should be in the proper spec for what role you joined for. If you aren’t and you expect them to wait for your that’s just rude on your part regardless of dual spec.

Of course given your general disregard for the others that’s probably exactly what you would do.

299

The reason this argument of “it’s optional” does not track is because it can be flagrantly abused all the way to it’s most extreme result and can be modified to suit either side equally.

For example:

If you don’t like dual spec-less expansions, playing TBCC is optional.

1 Like
300

I have four level 70’s. Druid, Priest, Mage, Warlock. I also have a 63 warrior and a 66 paladin.

Warlock was by far my easiest to level. Melee classes in general feel pretty bad. I haven’t tried prot warrior leveling, but I can’t imagine it being equivalent to a DPS spec for leveling.