Who is excited to get the covid vaccine?

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As long as you get that 1) the process is pretty much the same once the viral vector’s DNA is translated to mRNA, 2) that any autoimmune response depends as much on the antigen as on the delivery system, and 3) that both types of vaccines have undergone much less testing than normal due to the EUA, then I guess we’re good.

As for “new” vs “old,” I don’t think I’ve made any claim about which vaccine is better, but I could stand to be corrected. Both approaches have their strengths and weaknesses, and I agree with you that we won’t really understand the long term affects of any of them for quite some time.

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Pakistan’s most populous province, Punjab, has decided to combat residents’ COVID-19 vaccination hesitancy by threatening to block cell phone service to anyone who refuses inoculation. The decision to issue the threat came out of a meeting last week, led by provincial Health Minister Dr. Yasmin Rashid, as officials scrambled for ways to boost the province’s dismal vaccination rate.

I wouldn’t be surprised if stuff like this happens all over. If you don’t get the jab, more and more things will become unavailable.

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Welp… It’s all over for me… I went ahead and scheduled the much not needed covid vaccine. Not excited to get it, but at this point, if I want to go on a cruise it is necessary.

As stated above, I am getting the J&J shot, it’s the only one I’m comfortable with getting since it’s made with the old school methods. Sucks. Don’t want to get it, but it’s looking like it’s going to be necessary. /eyeroll

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There’s nothing “old school” about it. It works the same way as the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines - it just has a different delivery method.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viral_vector_vaccine

In addition, the only other vaccines on the market that use the same or similar delivery method as the J&J version are 2 ebola vaccines from 2019, and 4 other COVID vaccines (one of which is no longer authorized for use in the U.S.).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_COVID-19_vaccine_authorizations#Oxford%E2%80%93AstraZeneca

Again, I won’t claim that any one COVID vaccine is better than any other - but you are making that claim, repeatedly, and you’re not backing it up. Nonetheless, if you’re “comfortable” with it, I’m glad you’re getting it.

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An opinion is an opinion. I personally don’t believe that you should inject yourself with something that makes your body replicate covid proteins and then fight it off. That’s new if I ever heard of it.

This is straight off the CDC webpage:

To trigger an immune response, many vaccines put a weakened or inactivated germ(J&J vaccine) into our bodies. Not mRNA vaccines (Pfizer/Moderna). Instead, they teach our cells how to make a protein—or even just a piece of a protein—that triggers an immune response inside our bodies. That immune response, which produces antibodies, is what protects us from getting infected if the real virus enters our bodies.

https:// www.cdc.gov/ coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/different-vaccines/mrna.html

So yes, it is a completely untested, unverified method of delivering a supposed vaccination. Do we know if this will cause future autoimmune diseases? Nope. Sure don’t. And until it is fully vetted and tested, I don’t feel comfortable with that method.

So to contrast, the J&J vaccine is made with an inert adenovirus virus and covid proteins are then attached to it. This is then injected into your body. Like. Every. Other. Vaccine. Made. (prior to moderna/pfizer) And then your body recognizes it as not self, and make the antibodies that way.

So yes, the delivery method is quite different. And since the J&J is made in a way that has historically been shown safe years after the vaccine is given, in my opinion, and that’s all it is. Is an opinion, is better than getting something that has’t been verified with years of testing.

So there’s the difference and for me, that is the proof. If you want to inject yourself with an unproven method of vaccination, go ahead. I’ll take the safer bet (at least for men, definitely issues with women who take birth control).

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Only half right, but I think I understand the basis of your mistake. Viral vaccines and viral vector vaccines are two different things. The first are the classical vaccines you refer to, where an inert or inactivated virus is injected in order to cause an antibody response to the virus itself.

The second type, viral vector vaccines, work very differently. They are used to smuggle genetic material (usually DNA) into cells, and let the cells themselves use that DNA to generate whatever protein the DNA codes for.

The J&J is the second type. It uses an adenovirus shell to sneak DNA coding for spike protein into your cells. The shell itself is not significantly modified (to the best of my knowledge). The shell definitely does not have spike proteins attached to it.

(Note - here’s a really good chance to prove me wrong; show me a link that says the adenovirus used in the J&J vaccine has spike proteins attached).

Here’s another CDC quote about viral vectors that may help (emphasis not mine):

  1. First, the vector (not the virus that causes COVID-19, but a different, harmless virus) will enter a cell in our body and then use the cell’s machinery to produce a harmless piece of the virus that causes COVID-19. This piece is known as a spike protein and it is only found on the surface of the virus that causes COVID-19.
  2. Next, the cell displays the spike protein on its surface, and our immune system recognizes it doesn’t belong there. This triggers our immune system to begin producing antibodies and activating other immune cells to fight off what it thinks is an infection.
  3. At the end of the process, our bodies have learned how to protect us against future infection with the virus that causes COVID-19. The benefit is that we get this protection from a vaccine, without ever having to risk the serious consequences of getting sick with COVID-19. Any temporary discomfort experienced after getting the vaccine is a natural part of the process and an indication that the vaccine is working.
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/different-vaccines/viralvector.html

So, in the end, both mRNA vaccines and the J&J vaccine do the same thing - they both inject genetic material into your cells to get them to make scads of spike protein to generate an antibody response.

Note that the link above is a direct link from CDC’s blurb on the J&J vacccine:

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/different-vaccines/janssen.html

(Here’s another chance to show me up. Viral vectors have been used extensively in medical research, just not as vaccines so much. Tell me how and I’ll give you an internet cookie. Show me actual, approved medical applications and I’ll give you two internet cookies.)

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I was excited more about the second dose than the first because I knew the second dose was going to kick my butt. So I planned the shot for Wednesday and giving me Thursday and Friday to “recover”.

It beat me down a little bit it was a good two day WoW marathon.

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Haven’t gotten the vaccine, don’t plan on getting it, AND I don’t wear a mask anywhere anymore.

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Companies are just now rethinking this to maybe no hire anyone who
got the vaccine. The reason behind this is from all those who died who
got the vaccine.

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Some companies have added a requirement that you must be vaccinated.
https://www.rockefellerfoundation.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/04/ASU-Workplace-Commons-Phase-2-Report-4-28-21.pdf

A small private school in Florida that I know of won’t hire those who have been vaccinated (the same school previously equipped their windows with “electromagnetic frequency shielding blockers” to protect against 5G radiation) even they don’t claim there’ve been more deaths from the COVID vaccines than from other vaccines, although they do discourage flu vaccinations as well.

If you know of any major employer in North America with a policy to refuse employment to those who have been vaccinated kindly provide a link to that information.

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My mom got really sick from the vaccine, she died less than 2 weeks after receiving it. She had some underlying health conditions, it wasn’t the shot that killed her but it chose the time. Just too much stress on a weakened soul.

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Good for you! I was among the first to get the vaccine because I am a nurse. My husband got his and my fifteen-year-old daughter just got her second dose a couple weeks ago. We are very happy and we feel much safer.

I’ve been getting my flu vaccine every year for the past 13 years or so. Vaccines are not always a guarantee that you won’t get the disease, but they usually do keep you from getting severely ill even if you do still happen to contract it! This is important to know.

I caught influenza a couple years ago despite being vaccinated and didn’t get nearly as ill as I did when I caught it once before years ago before I began getting the vaccine. It was like having a mild chest cold/fever for about 2 days compared to fever of 105, pneumonia, terrible cough for a month, and nearly being hospitalized.

People claim there are serious risks with the COVID vaccine but they’re wrong. Any risks associated with the vaccine pale in comparison to the risks associated with contracting the virus. I know people–young people, even–who have permanent heart, lung, and nerve damage from this horrible disease. Even if you “recover” from COVID, you have a 1 in 5 chance of having long-term or even permanent health sequelae. People get hung up on the fact that the mortality rate is “not that high”. Look at the morbidity rate, people. Scary stuff.

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I’m not against vaccines, and for covid and other illnesses I am very pro-vaccine.

But I really don’t feel the need for the flu shot. I never get sick, everyone around me gets the shot and ends up taking sick days and detailing their entire illness when they get back every year.

I’ve never worked out how vaccinating for last years flu protects you from the current ones floating around, as there are so many strains and they change every year.

It would be about ten years since I got the flu. I work alongside over 100 people plus the general public.

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That’s your choice but I have to get the flu vaccine every year in order to keep my job as a nurse at my facility.

Hopefully your lucks continues. My ex-husband never used to get the flu shot either until about five years ago it finally got him. Bad. Pneumonia, high fever, missed a lot of work.

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i have astrazeneca vaccine

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I remember as little as five years ago antivaxxers were rightly mocked and ridiculed across the political spectrum because they had no clue what they were talking about.

Then Trump and conservative media started pretending Covid was fake and fueled fearmongering over the vaccine and now everyone apparently has a medical degree and ‘doesnt trust vaccines’. Suddenly everyone is saying “Fauci doesnt know what he’s talking about!” because Tucker Carlson said so.

What an incredibly intelligent group of free thinkers.

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IKR, everyone was making fun of anti-vaxxers. And the stereotype for anti-vaxxers was new-age hippies.

Now the current stereotype for anti-vaxxers is that they’re radical conservatives. My, how much has changed that fast.

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March 2020

Feb 2020

Fauci admitting that he lied about having to wear a mask so health werkers would have enough.

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I have over 20 years working in pharma mainly in product development (chemical manufacturing control). I’m far from an anti-vaxxer but I read some of the trial results as they were reporting on it. They took short cuts in the development of the vaccine and released it under the idea that more people would die from covid than from the vaccine, that math is fine except when your mom is part of the calculated attrition.

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Democrat are bunch of liars who wants more power. they see Covid as an opportunity to get more power. Everyone can see what they are becoming, they are pro communist.

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