While were "Fixing wow" we should revert changes to wow token - game time only!

[Bruenor-proudmoore]

You can keep parroting this all you want, but WoW (other than the few BOEs you can buy each tier) simply isn’t P2W. You’re not winning anything, except the ability to do dailies faster. No guild is going to recruit or take you because you bought a carry.

[Thrymyrden-stormrage]

MUCH less people, and I mean overwhelming majority of people, would buy less or no gold at all if it was only available from third party sites. Changing it from blizzard which is 100% safe to a site where you can get scammed or banned from the game for buying it is a huge deterrent to most. Blizzard just needs to do their job and ban the sellers.

[Fostracize-frostwolf]

@Madladz-barthilas

It would but it would be illegal to do so and therefore make wow not pay to win. This is just a bad argument, instead of making wow pay to win hire support people to action people buying gold off third party websites.

In other words, remove in-game revenue, create additional expense to police players that turn to third party sites, in addition to boosting third party site revenue. That’s a great plan, good luck with that.

[Aërlowynn-antonidas]

I remember back when I started in Cata, a childhood friend whom quit years back, took me to Vanilla raids and the bosses were dropping like 250g or 500g a pop! Now they drop like 6g or some other variable of the number 6. I realize Vanilla raids can’t drop that much now; but the Legion raids should. Or maybe they shouldn’t? idk…

[Crea-khazgoroth]

What?
Dude tokens are created as a direct result of people paying rl money for them. The gold value is determined by the players, more people buying, the token price increases, less people buying the price falls. But it does not require someone paying gold to make a token available. It takes someone buying one with cash.

You can’t make a token to sell for gold, by using gold. When you buy a token for gold you have 2 options, either add as gametime or as blizz balance. The conversion rate would actually have you lose value if you were buying a token to sell for gold, with gold. If a million people bought a token to sell right now for cash, there would be a token created for each cash sale. They would just stay listed in purchase order on the AH until someone pays gold for one. You dont get the gold in game until your token actually sells.

[Dingringding-zuljin]

I know I lose gold on doing it, but I have gotten 2 tokens before, gotten 15 bucks in bnet per each one (total of 30) on zul’jin, and bought a wow token off the shop to sell on a toon on Hyjal when I had some friends over there that wanted to play.

I lost well… quite a bit but least I had something over there… Probably wasn’t the best move tbh but hey it was better than nothing.

[Madbeatz-illidan]

@Sinelius-proudmoore

This would fix the pay to win aspect of wow and if someone wants to get carried, have a group of friends or guild or farm gold via gathering or something, killing off the pay to win aspect of this game. This would also preserve the part of the “free players” who don’t pay a sub but instead buy a wow token to keep game time running.

I know its a hot take but devs are getting on the right track again with cross faction, and slowly listening to us like set items returning.

And for those neigh-sayers who say wow isn’t p2w, that means the exchange of real $$ to skip parts of the game that gives you rewards for no effort whatsoever. Example: Rated PVP rewards, AOTC mount, mythic sylvannas mount, M+15 mount, mythic gear, etc. These are things that should be deserved, not bought out for no effort. WoW tokens $20 = sell in-game for gold = generated gold out of thin air into wow’s economy that then lead to p2w.

If they removed consumables, enchants, vantus runes, etc. - then sure.

Lot of people I know just want to M+ and Raid. They don’t mind buying a token here and there so they can get the consumables needed.

But if you removed all of these consumables, then the token purchase wouldn’t be needed.

[Madbeatz-illidan]

@Madladz-barthilas

P2W is not a big part of wow these days.

What is being “won”? The only competition where gold even matters is the world first race - which is over after the 1st week of raid.

[Fostracize-frostwolf]

@Gedpriest-queldorei

Naive post, gold buying went up by a massive amount over 3rd party sites when it was provided and endorsed in game

You are grossly out of touch and don’t realize it

I’ll agree to disagree, I think you are grossly out of touch and don’t realize it.

[Hahahyena-area-52]

@Sinelius-proudmoore

And for those neigh-sayers who say wow isn’t p2w

wow isnt pay to win, it never has been, just because you can exhange a token for gold doesnt mean anything, these “carries” are still liable to fail, blizzard isnt offering any services or skips to the top.

just because you can pay another player for their services doesnt mean the game itself is p2w, youre just mad people are playing the game in ways that you dont like and yet have no effect on you

stop making a mountain out of an ant-hill

@Hahahyena-area-52

its always funny to me that people say wow is pay to win when it really isnt

just because people offer services in exchange for gold and you can buy gold with a token does not mean its pay to win, its pay for services, which is not a 100% win

it WOULD be pay to win IF and ONLY IF blizzard THEMSELVES offers services that require no player interactions in exchange for rewards

think about it for more than 2 seconds, if wow was REALLY pay to win, then you would actually see stuff on the blizzard store like “pay $30 for 90k artifact power” or “buy a full semi-BiS set of armor for $40” (no do not bring up BoE’s cause those actually need players to fulfill, that ISNT pay to win no matter how much you stomp your feet)

lets say even if, in the off chance, they ban token and gold trading for services entirely, whats stopping yall to complain about guild runs for friends? what if they offer the same exact services but for friends instead of gold, what is stopping you guys from making threads like “being in a big guild that runs only with friends is too OP, pls nerf friendship” cause my old guild before transferring horde and A-52 just handed AOTC and PvP rewards to friends less skillful.

idk I just see this ant-hill that you guys make a mountain out of real funny

[Fostracize-frostwolf]

@Thrymyrden-stormrage

MUCH less people, and I mean overwhelming majority of people, would buy less or no gold at all if it was only available from third party sites. Changing it from blizzard which is 100% safe to a site where you can get scammed or banned from the game for buying it is a huge deterrent to most. Blizzard just needs to do their job and ban the sellers.

Unfortunately I believe this a naïve and inaccurate prediction of what would occur if wow removed tokens.

[Gedpriest-queldorei]

Buddy you’re just buying their PR spin on breaking the economy for a huge revenue boost

This wasn’t benevolent or an equal transfer of any kind

Admittedly part of the boost is due to massively changing system design to increase cash shop metrics, but you just don’t wanna believe the obvious on this one

I appreciate your good faith in wow but it is misplaced with the current team who only gets bonuses based on cash shop revenue cuz subs never come close to the peaks of wow

You’re having trouble reconciling using shady insecure account jeopardizing third party sites would have less use than ingame endorsed primary currency on the cash shop, just step back for a moment