I’m now convinced that all the changes where they announced “we listened!” was changes they were going to do anyways and just made a big announcement to trick us. For example, the 500 yeti? I bet that was always a placeholder.
If Blizzard actually listened to us, Soar wouldn’t be getting nerfed, the 500 achievement mount would have been a unique model (the request for this is actually 4-years old, not a couple of weeks), the 50% buff would last until DF and the Slime Cat would be available in LFR.
Ok, other than a handful of the tens of thousands to hundreds of thousands of people who play this game, where are you hearing a huge cry for Soar (what ever that is), a 500 achievement mount and Slime Cat?
I’ve seen the “slime cat” discussion but it hardly seems to be attracting thousands of players in the comments.
What makes you think that those requests represent a consensus among “the players” as to what they want to see next?
The Shadowlands beta testers were like 500-to-1 saying that the way covenants were designed was a terrible idea.
And we know this because Blizzard started up a thread SPECIFICIALLY asking people about specific things about covenants. They got a huge amount of feedback that was nearly unanimous.
And Blizzard ignored it anyway, even though it was the feedback they asked for.
For the buff, Soaring and Slime Cat it’s just a hunch based on the amount of threads and how many upvotes each thread receives.
But as for the 500 mount achievement, people have been 1.) begging for that achievement for 4 years and 2.) been begging for it to be something unique. Just go read the Achievement forum.
I can agree on all of this except the Soar thing. Racials always get nerfed before they go live (Zandalari Regeneratin’ is a great example), so I think the complaints about Soar are silly. Especially since the people in GD who are complaining haven’t even played a Dracthyr.
The 500 achievement mount… it’s funny, because as somebody who hit 500 mounts a long time ago, I doubt I’ll use the achievement mount anyway, just because I already have so many to use.
So what were they suppose to do about it? For them to redesign the entire covenant system would have meant a major rewrite. Are you saying that by 500 to 1 the Beta testers wanted them to delay the release for 9 months to a year to redesign the entire covenant system?
Also I am very suspicious of the 500 to 1 metric. Where did you see that? And please don’t say “The forums” unless you have evidence that all the people running Beta test were commenting.
If you think there was some great silent majority of Beta testers who thought covenants were great but simply refused to give feedback on the beta forums… I think we’re done, here.
Well obviously the people in the Achievement Forum are going to be arguing for more Achievements. People who don’t care about achievements don’t even look at that forum.
Question is, what percentage of the player base do they represent? And how would other players feel about other content not being done so more achievements could be done?
No, what I’m saying is that we have no idea if there was a silent majority or how they felt.
Do you have evidence of the 500 to 1 consensus? And did they also say they wanted the release delayed a year so the covenant system could be rewritten?
I’m not sure where you’re going with this. Are you trying to catch me and Brewa in a “Aha! Gotcha!” moment?
Do you have evidence that what we’re saying is wrong? What is the percentage of players that think we’re wrong? Where did you get that number?
I have a real question for you: you know how polls work, right? They don’t actually represent, for example, 100% of the US opinion. It’s just an educated guess, a temperature so to speak.
My opinion based on the “temperature” of the forum, is that players do want the 50% buff to last until Dragonflight, they don’t want the Soar nerf, collectors do want a unique mount for the 500 achievement and a lot of players, maybe most, want the Slime Cat in LFR since that’s the way it was advertised.
If YOU have some numbers to contradict that opinion, how about you throw down.
I do know how polls work. Along the way I took a couple stat classes in college and when talking about polls they always stressed that you have to start out with an unbiased representative sample of the population for the poll to mean anything at all.
So all I’m asking is how the beta testers were sampled. Was this a poll taken as you signed in or were leaving the game, one of those “Pick from 1 to 5 how you liked this game”? Or was it people who chose to sign into a forum and leave comments?
The former would be more reliable, the latter less reliable.
The forums are reliable enough for me since I’ve been using them for so long and I know, based on history, that when the forums act like this then players are really unhappy.
I seen it with RealID. I seen it with flying and Pathfinder.
If you need more evidence? That’s not my problem. My opinion has nothing to do with your skepticism.
The overwhelming majority of accounts created over the years have indeed left the game. That’s over 100 million accounts that no longer play. They left for reasons. Giving the much smaller number remaining reasons to leave is not a good business decision.
Most people who leave the game over something that makes them angry don’t come back anytime soon. And when they do, they’ll probably never be a regular subscriber again, because you broke that addiction for them.
Ok then you are convinced. Fine. But I’m not trying to debate you or others, I’m just trying to answer the question, "Why don’t the devs listen to ‘The Players’ ".
It doesn’t matter what I feel, what matters is what they feel. And if they are looking at the same things I’m looking at then what they see is that the forums represent some players but not all players and they tend to have a negative bias.
That’s not just this game. That’s something that’s been found in general. For example if you look at various political forums you will notice that they tend to represent the extremes, left and right while the political polls taken by polling agencies like Gallup and Harris show that moderates are under represented in those forums.
Exactly so you’re asking the wrong person. I mean, it’s fine if you want to ask me “why do you feel that way” and I’ll tell you. I did tell you. However, I can’t give you numbers because I don’t have access to that information.
Yes and that’s the point I’ve been trying to make. The people in the forums who are complaining about how "The devs don’t listen to ‘The players’ ", assume “The players” feel a certain way when it’s not clear that they do.
