lol welcome back kyalin
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Youâre one to talk. You have Warbraid, an alt of Talendras, liking all your posts in other threads.
⌠I am not calling him a white knight
What I was saying is that people can be sexist without realizing it.
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Iâm just saying hi to an old friend I donât know what youâre on about
The Kaldorei are matriarchal society. So the sheer fact that Blizz canât consistently write them as such, with men serving the more submissive roles within the culture, makes it clear regarding their predisposition towards women and their relationships with the opposite sex.
They could, the problem is that they donât want to. Might be me, but men historically have rarely ever wrote women characters well. I know there are authors who have but Iâm drawing a blank at the moment.
On that note about Garrosh, a quick anecdote, there has only ever been one other instance of the âbâ word being used in all of Warcraft, want to a make a quick guess when it was used? It was used to refer to Jaina in Tides of Wars by the final orc boss of
they Theramore scenario(they use âwenchâ instead ingame so yeah, even in MoP Blizzard wanted to avoid the use of this word). Now, why do I mention this? It is because I think the use of the B word was to point out Garrosh/ Warlord Rokânah were the bad guys and that we are not suppose to be rooting for them. Admittedly maybe this type of language is too harsh hence why it was removed.
As for the âHush Tyrandeâ line itself, maybe it was problematic but then the question becomes is it more important to be consistent to the story we told and not self censor or change this particular dialog?(if Well of Eternity was added now instead of back in Cata we might have a different response regarding Blizzardâs priority)
That just sounds like reverse discrimination. At this point, Blizzard and Warcraft seem to be trying to say that both genders are EQUAL, and that no one is inherently submissive to the other. To the point that they made it clear Magni was in the wrong with her daughter Moira and that Thrall literally made a declaration that men and women are equal.
The one race that actually had this dichotomy(blood trolls) were clearly portrayed in a negative light.
Letâs not turn to the dark side, here.
We have cookies though 
What I have learned from being a fan of Nathanos, is when a man is actually depicted in a secondary or submissive role to a woman, the entite male playbase takes deep offense to it.
Masculinity is really fragile.
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There is no such thing. Discrimination is just discrimination. And yes, within Kaldorei Society, men are seen as âfarther from the heart of Eluneâ. It is a veiwpoint that stems from their religion, which is at the heart of Kaldorei culture, society and governance.
But we know from evidence dating back to Warcraft three, and as recent as mid BFA, that the Kaldorei are a matriarchal society, with women dominantly holding all the systemic power, and most of the cultural infulence.
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Um, sorry. Thatâs not what I meant. Iâm talking about men having lesser roles and being officially discriminated against in Kaldorei society. Night Elves had strict gender roles for sure, but those have been mostly relaxed.
And I think Blizzard has slowly changed that dichotomy as well. Yes, nominally it is still Matriachal but I think in a generation or two they will be more egalaterian.
https:// wowpedia.fandom .com/wiki/Druid_and_Priest_Statue_Set
It was a tremendous societal change when night elf men were allowed to become priests and the women druids. For thousands of years previously, the two roles had been exclusive to the other gender. This pair of statues commemorates those momentous and tumultuous events.
Thereâs nothing wrong with a man being submissive or feminine, itâs sad that the hyper masculine types flip out over such a notion. Most men do have very fragile egos.
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Of course you think that, because you have a problem with women.
No, I have a problem with discrimination, of any gender.
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Yes, but insitutionalized sexism disproportionately effects women.
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I think the lines blurr when it comes to cultural norms. Even if men -can- become Priests. Very few do. In fact, I donât think there is a single named Night Elf Priest of Elune in WoW. Not one.
And the reason that may be has to be because that even Kaldorei men believe they are less fit to serve as Eluneâs voice.
Also, from a world building perspective, it is important to have those cultural differences. Even if you might disagree with them irl.
Edit: Like, do I wish my country was Matriarchal IRL? No, I donât want that. I dont want to oppress men. I want equality between the sexes.
But Night Elves? I want total matriarchy. And that is what Blizzard has promised us. Yet they refuse to deliver
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Yes, but then the question is do we want it in our games? And if it good for the gander to discriminate on the goose, why is the inverse not allowed? Why should orcs not remain a hyper masculine society that apperently treated women as inferior if the night elves can do that with men?
Iâm pretty sure Lorekeeper Vaeldrin is a priest of elune:
https:// wowpedia. fandom .com/wiki/The_Arcanic_Oubliette
An Alliance member? Here? Elune be praised.
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/280890636159287297/862822425678577664/image2.png
You have nothing to base that on.