never mind the delayed 97k judgement, but 182k doesn’t?
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Yes. Why? Because monk got buffed to where it is now.
Right better ask for nerfs to MM then, because it also can do this.
Games pretty fair for the most part WW being tanky could be adjusted but their damage tanks if you cc them on burst or root/line.
There was a second part to that comment.
If someone wants to make an argument though about ret damage, I could understand, though I personally find it less problematic atm.
Lots of specs can, but nearly all of them have a precursor which allows you to anticipate the damage.
Right, sort of my point you can see it coming with ww. It’s not Enh which I’m starting to be able to predict after doing some lol2s with one on my dk. Weird way of saying Enh has really hard to predict burst. I use OS gladius so I can see it coming from Ww and most classes, but to be honest if someone pops on use trinket thats enough at my mmr to know burst is coming.
The other people on your team need to learn what to watch out for. I get the same thing in solo, monk pops burst I cc team mate stands there like a pylon right beside monk, I run out of cc and monk taps in the last few seconds of cd’s. Next game 'OMG NURF WW GAHHHHHHD." Or close to that. Meanwhile I seethe because the unwashed disrespect major cds and cost me mmr when I played correct and peeled for them.
an inapplicable one, sure
do you think divine arbiter is a cast?
Bull crap when your spec can hit 3 times in a global
Getting crusading struck, divine arbiter and final verdict all at once. I’ve seen ret auto attack just blast for no reason, how is that at all telegraphed
Even cc’ing then for an eternity
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They just blast all match
I know this is a forget ww thread but I won’t forget the retpocalypse and even now they can just dunk you in a global from 3+ sources
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Nothing wrong with wanting a game you play $15/month for to be balanced and playable.
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Do you think complaining on the arena forums is going to cause blizzard to balance things?
To an extent, yeah honestly. It brings light to issues. There are some specs running amuck but this expansion has been a great example of forum complaints aligning with some PvP tuning that’s been made. Precog comes to mind as an example of many.
Blizz doesn’t engage with the PvP community as much as they should, but they still see the feedback and take it into consideration when it makes sense to.
Also complaining about people complaining about thinks on a forum that’s almost entirely used to complain about things is hilariously ironic. Adroi likes to “complain” but he still comes with objective points to facilitate healthy discussion. That’s one of the most primary functions of a forum.
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I’m sorry to inform you but blizzard doesn’t read the forums. That’s why they made the community council so they could 100% neglect the rest of the forums. We don’t get even get a mod here with everything that goes on. The only time someone from blizz visits this place is because someone’s post got mass reported.
Just because the dungeon forums were complaining about “the god comp” meta for mdi doesn’t mean blizzards latest round of balancing had any effect on what the forums were saying. They have their own built in metrics they go by completely irrelevant from what people complain about on the forums.
That’s why this place has devolved into a playground of insults. As long as no one reports, blizzard doesn’t even know what goes on here.
I already said there is an argument to be made there. 
That said, the successive damage from a ret still isn’t the same as what I have seen out of WW.
Well, it’s one thing to know burst is coming and being able to react. It’s another to react and have your defensives rendered useless. Beyond that, WW is able to set up their own go, which not many specs can do well.
Like ret can do huge damage, but it’s hard for them to disorientate the healer, hoj the kill target, then open up. For WW, it’s para the healer, leg sweep the kill target, then going. Para has a 20 yd range as well. When we are talking seconds, it all adds up for sure.
This is mostly RSS, so can’t really ask for much. =/
Are you saying this is unwarranted? Do you expect blizzard to balance in a vacuum? Why not voice your opinion? It costs nothing. Takes almost no time. Might help… might not.
I’m still offering up screenshots and breaking down damage. Sometimes I go in depth a bit more, but it seems like that doesn’t matter to some folks. =/
If you don’t want it posted here, then where?
They do, though I wish they interacted more.
Lol
Blizzard 100% has read and made retroactive adjustments to content based on player feedback, including but not limited to the forums.
This has nothing to do with them reading the forums. It’s just how their tribunal system works. I’ve seen a blue dive into a hot thread and the first response back was a frequent classic troller calling the blue poster a re***d with several likes on the response. No apparent sanctions were made.
Their policing the forums is not indiciative in any way shape or form of how frequent or infrequent they cosume forum content.
it’s not clear how this struck you as a full response to the original question of
in this instance, where divine arbiter didn’t crit, the ret global was only 18k less than the ww one. and lasso is right, a lot more could have gone well for the ret to add extra sources
if(loadbearing) 200k is an unfair gcd for ww to do at the high end, 182k is an unfair gcd for ret to have in the middle
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yes. What value has came from this thread? Anyone that pvps already knows ww’s are slapping right now. There’s not been a single post made in this thread that’s actually beneficial.
If they did, half the people would be banned that regularly post here. You can’t even copy paste a lot of these posts in a shuffle pregame lobby without getting a silence.
I think you’d have better luck tweeting at the devs on twitter. Then hopefully some of the big names see it and get their followers to all go upvote and echo chamber it.
If you wanted to promote an actual discussion about ww damage and how to counter it then I would’ve suggested starting the thread something like ww is slapping, how are my surv hunter brethren dealing with it?
imo
Do you have any examples? I’ve lingered here since Legion and I’ve never seen it.
I already gave you one. If you want another, the mini demo rework planned for this current patch was mostly scrapped due to overwhelming negative feedback from the warlock community.
Feedback from the class discord you mean. Not the forums.
Well, looks like 29 people atm found it valuable.
And who cares if not a single post has been beneficial, in your opinion. What gives my dude? This is just one thread among many. If it’s not your cup of tea, just move along. IS this thread taking away from all the troll posts?
Is this post taking up valuable real estate? Just ignore it.
Lots of people do get temp banned. I have had my share. =/
Maybe, but I have had pretty solid success over the years bringing light to issues… much to the annoyance of many others that post here. 
200k is broken when it’s proceeded by another 150-200k in the previous .5s.
6 WW in the top 50 of the ladder and its one guy with 5 spots on his alts. Imho you just need to get in the lab and work on your game, cus your getting blasted by WWs that aren’t even that great. The discrepancy between top rated WWs on shuffle vs ur spec isn’t even that big TBH.
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This isn’t about my spec or what I’m playing. Most of the examples I have aren’t even me dying. Just going to ask you as I have asked others, what warrants this kind of damage?
Do you think that’s good for PvP? Seriously asking. Someone is at 50% at .5s and then dead. Do you think that’s reasonable?
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This is the same thing Seratox said. This dude’s probably that belf ret who also hides his profile on the forum/check PvP because “it’s funny to see how mad this makes people”. Lamest excuse in the book from a challenger troll.
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