Everyone on the forums typically
The only thing I’d note in this thread is that everyone seems to argue that there is a 1 for one trade in every situation when arenas are typically a 3v3 which can create a lot more variance
Sure, Adroi can improve but a lot of people offer garbage advice around here
Absolutely a lot of people offer garbage advice. But the person who brought up rating was Adroi. Not me.
I’m commenting in a thread about mages and rogues. I didn’t say mages were too strong. The comment is addressing one thing I think could change.
You said…
Where did I say any of these specs were too strong?
how am I hard stuck 2100 when I have been over 2200 for months? I have been bouncing around 2k-2.2k for awhile. Should… I stop playing after I hit a certain rating?
51 rounds to 1800? Is that supposed to be impressive? I took a hunter to 2400 last season in 25 games played. What are you trying to say here?
Where did I mock you? I said you’re 1800 and asked you what you’re having trouble with. Clearly you’re having trouble with something. It’s like you think the 1800 WW monks are the same as the 2200 monks.
For w/e reason, you think it’s impossible for a monk to make contact with a hunter. Either you’re trolling and lying or you’re awful. So pick. Which is it?
You didn’t offer suggestions, first off. You listed out some abilities. Wow. So amazing.
Somehow you think a WW monk should NEVER be able to touch a hunter. Yet, monks have plenty of gap closers. Are the monks you’re playing against AFK?
Yes, that’s what you offered up. Garbage advice.
This is garbage advice. Obviously the damage they are doing is inside of a CC window. Everything outside of that is whatever. You can’t always trinket the very first stun, or if you do, you’re at a serious disadvantage.
You’re responses act like you’re playing in a vacuum where it’s just you and the monk… but it’s not. It’s the monk and a dk or a sub rogue or a frost mage or w/e. Hunters aren’t kiting monks all day if they have a DK gripping and slowing them. Hunter’s aren’t kiting monks all day if they are getting freedoms and you’re getting stunned by the off dps.
WW damage is incredibly high right now. Seeing people get killed in 2 seconds is getting old. If you like that sort of gameplay, have at it.
Again, all you have done is lied for whatever ridiculous reason. You got called out for dismissing the buffs to WW defensives and then followed up with more lies.
Lol. 25 games is 150 rounds. So 2400 in the most overinflated bracket ever (S1 DF SS) Congrats?
No one is “lying” to you. What i said about WW defensives is correct: You shouldn’t be doing damage into Karma, and fortify and dampen got a 10% buff from 20% to 30%.
I have to assume I’m talking to an adolescent so i am not responding to you anymore.
if i may nitpick semantics for a second
you mean 50%, right
i get what you mean but portraying it this way doesn’t really capture the gravity of how strong that change is
a 10% buff would be 20 to 22
20*.5=10+20=30
No one is doing damage into karma. Again, that was the point. You belittled the buffs to WW. They went from being a viable target with defensives up to having to swap off.
You already said you were done. Keep lying. GL on your monk! Hope those big mean hunters don’t ruin your day.
They need to demolish that fist pvp talent…how biut RJW gets the parry ability instead 
this would mean permanent immunity to melee pretty much
unfortunately nerfing ww means every ww reroll will just go back to their sub rogue and do the same burst with better control and arguably better survival options or their feral druid and make every game game they participate in the most un-fun event for you since you went to the DMV to get your license renewed
nerf ww’s dmg！
thank you for saying this, truly. Too much elitism up in here.
Mages can never throw stones, glass cannons and all. ;3
Sometimes if I feel a person doesn’t want advice and is more just vent posting, I tend to give not the most well thought out advice.
There are times when advice is appropriate and times when it’s okay to just point out that something is broken.
This is from last night. 387.1k damage in 1.1s. There are people trying to give me advice on this? Don’t you think this is a bit funny?
Too many people think this is only about me dying to WW. It’s not. Most of the screenshots I can offer up are either when the monk was on my team or it was my teammate.
At what point is it okay to make a thread and point out an obvious flaw in the game? If this isn’t one, then what is?
Yeah because I can post various screenshots of other classes doing just that right now. Enhance shams. Frost, arcane, fire mages. Even UNH DK Festering Wound pops with apocalypse or whatever it is. Spriest mind spike insanity stack with devouring plague/void torrent. Ret pally divine arbiter+FV same ticks. MM aimed shot + rapid fire + explosive. Augment evoker Upheavel (Been hit for 266k with it) Dmg alone doesn’t just kill a target. Seen some 550-600k Ray of Frost that doesn’t kill targets, and often the dmg alone doesn’t decide whether a spec is good or bad.
I’d encourage you to do it.
Enhance is capable, but their go is much easier to shut down and they aren’t able to setup as easily either. There are also more things to look for with enhance. Those 1-2 globals make a difference. Frost is doing big damage for sure with spike and ray, but they aren’t doing that kind of damage. I have yet to see an arcane come close to those numbers. Maybe possible, but I see this every other game vs WW.
Doesn’t compare and easy to stop.
Ret is doing huge damage, but they are pretty global locked.
Like the others, you’re looking for explosive shot setup. So it’s explosive shot > chakrams > aim shot > rapid. That’s a lot of time for you to react. If you see explosive shot on you, you should be going on the defensive quickly if you’re not topped off or your healer is cc’ed.
So not to belabor this. Yes, lots of specs can do very good damage right now. Destro can. Boomi can. Seen fury chunk people plenty of times. Sub is busted. On and on.
NONE of them are doing this kind of damage. I consistently see people getting killed in a 2s stun or some other short CC. The window WW needs is super small.
Yeah thats one thing I try to defend my spec with is your rarely ever caught off guard by Ret.
It’s one of those “I’m no trying to trick you, I’m here, I’m coming, and I dare you to do something about it in a bout 30 seconds.” things. Idk how truly damaging Ret is post the more recent balance as my vacation has thankfully kept me from qing, but I imagine its simply “strong if annoying” currently.
Ret feels like a freight train. Still ending plenty of matches where the ret is 30-40% higher overall then everyone else. The damage is huge… but it comes in chunks. Good healers can cope with it. Not that a couple rets haven’t caught me off guard, but not like WW right now.
This is probably the biggest hit I have seen from a ret recently.
Pretty big chunk, but still not in the same league as WW’s RSK. Being able to hit someone for 200k+ in a single attack just breaks the game. Well, assuming it’s not attached to a cast of some type. NOT that you can’t expect RSK is coming if you’re sitting a leg sweep and they pop serenity, but even outside of CDs, RSK is still huge.
You seem like a nice fellow but man it’s tiring every time I click on the arena forums you have a thread at the top complaining about something. If it’s that gamebreaking then just don’t play. If you want an echo chamber then send it to your buddies on discord.
Make FoF like Eye-Beam then
We will let WW have wings too
Honest question, why do you care? You can just not click on them. 
Maybe it’s just how I’m built, but if I see a problem, I just tend to say something about it. If you don’t think the current damage is an issue, then that’s 100% fine. Like I mentioned earlier, it’s not like I’m always the one of the receiving end of the damage. Most of my examples were either my teammate or someone on the other team.
In the end, I want the game to be as fair as possible. It’s why I have multiple threads on healer MMR. I enjoy the game and would love for PvP to be as best as it can. I don’t see that happening when people are getting half their health taken out in a second or less.