Actually that was in the movie , in game lore it was Blackhand that had them killed.
Sadly it wonāt. It has been like this for quite a long time and keeps getting worse as you can see. They even poke fun at the Alliance making snide jokes at Blizzcon to the Alliance.
It said it all also (besides the numerous examples we can supply) during BfA when they gave the Horde Allied races the better racials yet again. The Zandalari one was amazing. The Allinace allied racials were horrible. Then, when there was a chance the Alliance was finally going to get a great racial in the Mechagnomes, they nefered it to the ground. There were Mythic world first racing guilds saying they would consider switching if it stayed as is during the PTR. But nope.
Anyways, nothing has been done and nothing will be done about the bias.
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/Wipes oil from the corner of her eye
Dark Iron Dwarves racials are better than Zandalari. The pick your loa and channeled heal that can be interrupted isnāt as useful as is 4% speed buff in instances and the purge that buffs main stat.
They had the best racial in BFA.
If you made it to the end of Maldraxxus after 6 hours in order to save Mograine I kinda doubt you were paying enough attention to the story to āThink youāre playing the alliance campaignā or to care really.
But yeah, sure, Alliance bias.
Can you all stop quoting me out of context now?
No Iām saying is you have no point. THis toon is actually necro . None of the zones are faction based , in fact they are class halls 2.0
You didnāt bother reading my point.
For the first 6 hours of playing I thought it was bugged out and it had put me in the Alliance campaign instead of the Horde one - and it only got worse from there.
This was the guy I was replying to.
Thereās no way he made it all the way to the end of maldraxxus while also caring about the story as much as he claims in that amount of time.
Stop quoting me out of context unless you also believe you āFell into the alliance campaign on accidentā
Iām so sick of people picking apart my post with no context.
I get a giggle out of all the Horde rushing to say Alliance racials are better. Thats just not true or the hard core raiders would be flocking to the Alliance just like they flocked to the horde. An entire guild xfered for the Dwarven racial before Blizzard heard about it and instantly nerfed it so it wouldnāt work in Castle. Nice try but you are wrong about the racials being better.
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I always get a giggle when you guys cover your eyes at cold hard data that proves you wrong but you still continue to cover your eyes just to pretend you have it worse instead of accepting that the real issue itās something else entirely.
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If it was true you would see people flock to the Alliance but keep your fingers in your ears and la la la I canāt hear you all you want on your BS claims. Iāll just keep laughing at people like you.
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Thereās a bias, but pretty much nothing in OP outside maybe /more/ of the story being catered towards Horde more often. And even then, itās just more races in the Horde get more focus more often.
OP, when weāre discussing a bias itās faction imbalance for competitive play being hell for Alliance, and more people continually going Horde even if Alliance racials are better because there were just continual advantages to actual in game pushes for Horde, but then they went and nerfed the only good one for Alliance in a long while. (Shadowmeld on MDI does not count; thatās not happening in game.)
I still remember Beastslaying in Throne being a tipping point. But stuff like Rocket Jump on Kilājaden didnāt help. Thereās plenty of examples, but Stoneform having similar cheese potentials being nerfed when thereās an absolutely massive imbalance at tte top end did not help perceptions.
For the wPvP stuff; the 15% is actually a good sign - it means thereās more Alliance in general, but thereās still issues.
wPvP becomes absolute hell for Alliance on the majority of NA and EU shards for two expansions in a row? 30% passive bonus was something, but itās hard for most to even bother taking advantage of. Told to turn war mode off.
Horde gets farmed in the Maw? They put protections in. Where were these changes through all of BFA?
Random Battlegrounds mean almost nothing. I win most of mine even on my horribly geared alts.
Allied Races was the thing that really stung.
Everybody wanted Nightborne; they went Horde. We got Void Elves - something I personally love, but nobody asked for. It wasnāt either of the highly requested Alliance races (Etheral/High Elves) and they came out of nowhere with no foreshadowing, no build up, no presence at all. Absolutely. Nothing. All 3 other original allied races had build up, even if it was only a patch - ala: Lightforged. (Meanwhile, Highmountain were around the whole expansion.)
Also, Horde got Suramar - a Night Elf capital in the lore, along with a second flavor of Highborne - something Alliance was requesting. And you know, Nightborne story being a borderline carbon copy of Blood Elves.
So yes, allowed to be mad about that.
People saying theyāve ātried everythingā donāt realize they havenāt done anything.
Where are the free faction/guild transfers? Especially for high end guilds?
Whereās the Horde vs Alliance guild races ontop of this at Blizzcon?
Whereās the āfist pumpingā stuff for Alliance? Darkmoon has /two/ Horde bands, why does the Alliance have absolutely nothing fanservice like this?
Where are the raid mechanics that favor Alliance racials?
At this point, the damage is so steep thereās probably nothing that can be done outside just letting us do instanced competitive content cross faction.
The majority of my arena friends are still Horde because theyāre not R1 players who can play whatever they want, they have to use LFG from time to time, and ally LFG is dead in comparison.
My former M+ friends are all Horde now because itās easier to pug people.
Every competitive raid group I know except one on Moon Guard is on Horde now.
Horde players continually bring up minor issues like āZandalar 2 big no flyingā and how the āAlliance complain too muchā - but I literally canāt play the game properly at the level Iām used to without paying additional money at that point. and I did that last season; I jumped to 2200 in a single evening after being unable to queue for months in arenas.
We have every right to complain.
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They are, actually - at least for PvP. Human racial is bonkers, Night Elf racial is amazing for healers. Dark iron is solid. Horde only has Hardiness. The rest are pretty mediocre.
Horde does have a slight edge in PvE for racials because they have less RNG based DPS boosts, but as Iāve mentioned many times in these threads; damage is done.
Racials would need to be busted at a level beyond that of the tiers Horde had a significant advantage for multiple tiers in a row for it to make a difference where it matters - the top end of PvE.
And Blizzard doesnāt want to do that because it will lopside again.
Weāre probably just going to be able to do instanced content and non-warmode stuff cross-faction.
There is no other solution at this point.
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And Iāll keep laughing at people like you who are so desperate to play the victim instead of realizing that the problem is something you could solve by, you know, getting content done and maybe like that, more people would play Alliance since theyād see there are people willing to get content done.
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I think youāre misrepresenting the argument here a bit, either intentionally or not.
Other people using bad arguments in other places are not good for defending your argument.
Still, Iāll answer this, the blood elves joining the Horde is not explained in wc3 per see as you say, however itās in wc3 that they throw away their old identity and rebrand themselves into blood elves, deciding to do things that the old society of High elves would never do.
This new cultural rebirth is what later in tbc opens the door to them working with old enemies like the orcs etc.
Itās not the same and it is a bad argument but they are not entirely separate from each other either, the Alliance of Lordaeron is the precursor to the Grand Alliance like what the League of Nations is to the United Nations. With a lot of the same members (+ new ones). which the survivors of Lordaeron are now also part of, even if they donāt have a nation at the moment.
Although, would I call Uther an Alliance character? Well no, he was part of the precursor organization of the current Alliance and is important to the humans for sure. Iād rather say Alliance adjacent, not fully Alliance but very tied in.
The same way that Iād say an old orc would be Horde adjacent if he was part of the old Horde that invaded Azeroth and was an important character, even if he wasnāt part of Thralls Horde.
Now weāre getting to Kaelāthas. He wasnāt part of any iteration of the Horde, actually, he was part of the old Alliance. He is an important character for the Blood elves which are at the moment a Horde race, as he led them in their darkest hour and renamed them.
Iād put him at being a central figure to the blood elves and their history, but not really Horde adjacent. Especially after weāve had literal blood elves join the Alliance as void elves.
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This is literally the argument I was makingā¦
It was a facetious reply to this
Fun fact btw, they liked your post despite pulling the same thing unironically.
Whatās wrong with liking their post? They made good arguments.
The point I was trying to make was that the Horde werenāt shafted in the storytelling of Shadowlands. Several people in this thread were complaining about how Alliance dominated it was while conveniently ignoring characters like Kaelāthas and Draka simply because āThey were a never a part of the Horde.ā
Sure, they never officially joined the horde, but they play a obvious role in the history of horde races. Arguing that āItās an alliance campaignā is very disingenuous and thatās what Iāve been trying to refute.
Because you literally did what heās accusing me of while trying to push an Alliance bias argument.
Wanted to point out the irony.
I did not make a bad argument. I told you exactly what has happened in discussions about what is and isnāt Alliance. You wanted to cherry pick and move the timeline to make it seem like somehow Kael was Horde.
Everything I stated was a part of the lore.
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I honestly often wonder what would have happened if we got a third faction in BC with Naga, Blood Elves, and Broken.
Where would we be?
What the heck are you even talking about?
You inserted yourself into the conversation where I was refuting someone claiming
You keep making this argument āOh, Kael and Draka donāt count as horde story at all cause they never joined the Horde.ā
Never did I say Kael joined the horde, I claimed Kael was part of the horde story because of his connection to blood elves. I would have made the same argument about Anasterian as well.
You keep misrepresenting this argument.
Seriously, stop trying to defend this āAlliance Biasā bullcrap. Shadowlands is honestly one of the most neutral expansions weāve gotten in a long time.
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