Imagine being so lost in your own hatred that you actually believe there is a Horde bias in this game.
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First, this is a public forum where discussions with many people take place. So there is no inserting into a conversation. If you donāt like that, go to private messaging.
Second, we had our own exchanges in this very conversation and you decided to just retag me in this after it had already settled.
Neither of them were even a part of the Horde story. They died before that.
You are just bad at making arguments.
Itās not Alliance or Horde bias. Itās just a story and at best Draka and Kael are Khadgar like characters.
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Well I went looking for clues as to what happened to Anduin.
I was about to say nopeā¦let him rotā¦heās Alliance after all, but I pushed forward and finally found him. Poor guys in deepā¦ well you know.
Seems that we are helping the Alliance again.
We rescued Baineā¦but heās more Alliance than Hordeā¦at least in the way he thinks.
Thrallā¦heās neutral
Jainaā¦ Alliance
We find Tyrande and she was mouthy. She didnāt even recognize me after riding behind her trying to find her love.
RIght now itās Alliance favoredā¦trying to find and save Anduin. With the Horde Warchief beingā¦well you know.
Iām not arguing that you canāt insert yourself into a discussion. Yet if youāre going to defend someone elseās argument, youāre passively taking on their claim.
So? I needed to site your post.
They both play large parts in the history of the hordeās two core races. Stop making this āThey were never part of the Hordeā argument. That doesnāt exempt them from the āLol alliance story biasā argument.
Iām not the one making a flimsy case for alliance bias.
If you actually believe there is no Alliance or Horde bias, stop trying to argue for someone thatās claiming there is!
I did not take on their claim. I talked about Uther being in Bastion and Tyrande in Ardenweald.
No you donāt need to quote me in anything to make your argument.
They didnāt play any role in the Horde though. Thatās what you arenāt getting. And especially Kael isnāt even adjacent. Heās more Alliance adjacent because his history as a character was mostly on that side. Again, our decision to go Horde was without him and for our own protection.
Iām not making an argument for Alliance bias either. Iām just saying that the two characters you keep trying to claim were Horde were not.
I wasnāt arguing for them. Iām making my own statements. Stop being ridiculous.
Agree here. The gates of Org should be welded shut and the place filled with water. We need to finished where Jaina failed!
Considering context was needed, yes I did.
Just like you said, if you donāt want people quoting you, use private messaging.
You could also mute the thread.
They are horde historical figures.
Iām not making the same argument again, youāre literally just dismissing this over and over again with the same flimsy argument. Weāre not getting anywhere.
If you canāt see why this is important, Iāve got nothing left to say.
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Really now?
Cause I canāt imagine a case where youād need to claim āThats two for the allianceā in response to āThere is no alliance bias.ā
The quest to get 25 warmode kills for 250 anima is Alliance-only. It doesnāt even exist for Horde.
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Iām not muting a whole thread because you canāt make an argument without quoting someone directly.
They arenāt Horde historical figures. Again, they had nothing to do with the Horde. Literally. You are just stretching for arguments sake. Simply looking up actual lore would tell you this.
The whole thread was mentioning where certain characters stand. You tried to make it out like Maldraxxus and Revendreth were the opposite. When bringing up Garrosh would have been more accurate. You decided to bring up characters that never allied Horde.
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I gotta agree, back in Vanilla I played Horde, TBC - BFA I played Alliance and in SL Iām back to Horde.
I got real tired of BFA real fast the story was junk and it still is. Friend got me SL and I started playing with him a few weeks back, on Horde. I was salty about the Vulpera, AR stuff got a lot faster so I used my BFA token to lvl 50 a DH, unlocked the Vulpera and we lvlād thru WoD. Eyed the High Mountain, finished unlocking them made a warrior thats now 57. Eyed a BE Hunterā¦ thats now lvl 53. Eyeing a Tauren (seriously Tauren got some nice cosmetics now) Druid or doing BFA to get a Zandalari one, or getting through the grind for Nightborn to make a mage.
Went back to my Alliance server andā¦ yeah no drive to unlock the gnomes or the Kul Tiransā¦ Have the VEs but wellā¦ playing horde I have a high elf alreadyā¦ my lvl 19 slightly different looking Draenei doesnt draw meā¦ either does a dwarfā¦ or a gnome. or a human.
Alliance could use some love from Blizz, they donāt get kicked in the sac from a YOUR EVIL stand point like the Horde does but they roll the Alliance in the bulk of the stories and only lose because half the faction turns against itself and wellā¦ honestly the characters you can make are waaaay more interesting and diverse than the snore power of the Alliance, there is just like NO draw to play Alliance anymore outside of NE and Draenei, the ARs are just so lacking in comparison
warmode on Maw players were getting farmed 15v1 by raids that were using that to finish their 250 anima Alliance-only quest to get 25 WM kills. The alliance had a clear incentive to group up and get 250 anima easily while the Horde had no such incentive.
Second, there was no way to corpse-rez and kite the raid away from the entrance
Third, the portal to Oribos was behind the enemy raid
If Alliance had to face this the amount of screaming would have melted the polar icecaps.
And get this - they donāt give Horde the Alliance-only quest. They donāt do anything except give any player exiting Venariās refuge a few seconds of invis and invuln so they can get to the exit portal or set up some counterplay.
Forming raids to camp the maw exit - a place with only 1 exit - a place that everyone who wanted stygia had to go through - was the most egregious wPVP thing Iāve seen and that was the day my sympathy for the Alliance re faction balance died.
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Then deal with it, thatās how things are done on these forums.
Stop accusing me of not knowing the lore.
The point of differentiation is clearly whether a historical figure of a race counts or not, it has nothing to do with āknowing the lore or notā
Accusing me of not knowing the lore because I donāt agree with you is just petty.
What are you actually arguing here? None of what you say here is true besides bringing up Kael and Draka against the āLol alliance story biasā argument. Garrosh is literally a non-factor in the story right now unless Iāve missed something in game.
Seriously, Iām just gonna stop replying to you if you feel the need to just make stuff up.
Lol, thatās funny coming from how you reacted earlier.
Itās not a matter of agreement. Itās a matter of fact. Bring up Volājin or Garrosh and you have your Horde characters in the story. The ones you brought up were not.
Garrosh is gonna be covered in the future in Shadowlands. He was already teased being in Revendreth.
Lol, saying Iām making up stuff when you invented characters being still Horde just cause. 
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Donāt forget how Night elves dominated the MDI due to their racial stealth. That reason pretty much lead to any class without a night elf representation (shaman, paladin) having 0% (or near 0%) play.
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Yeah, I get kinda annoyed when Iām misquoted. Especially since that was the 4th time itās happened in this thread.
Yet weāre talking about the current state of shadowlands.
Look, Iām just going to put you on mute. As I said, if youāre going to keep pushing this argument of alliance bias, all the while claiming āLol Kael and Draka donāt count.ā Then Iām just going to save myself the trouble. Perhaps future trouble as well.
Plus Iām really sick of your snark.
Not pushing Alliance bias, but you do you. You seem determined to be victimized by a simple correction about the lore of characters you claimed were Horde.
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The bis pvp racials are Alliance.
Why do people who know nothing about theorycrafting make these threads? Racials are incredibly tightly balanced and have been for two xpacs now. The difference between the highest (orc and mechagnome) and lowest (nightborne and void elf) unholy death knight racials are about 3% and neither faction is noticeably strong than the other.
Have you played this expansion?
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Atrocious! Alliance gets all the good horse mountsā¦
#killoffalltheviruslikeevilresourcegrabbingbotscumisohatethemalliance
A rational person doesnāt argue that someone who was only ever part of the alliance (kael) is a horde character while also saying someone who was only ever part of the alliance (uther) was a horde character. The illogical bias you have to try to say actual alliance characters arenāt alliance but people who were literally never part of the horde are somehow horde.
Uther is the reason I, and many others, mained ALLIANCE pallies.
Stop trolling.
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Literally where did I say Uther was a horde character?
I said that if you count Uther as an alliance character, a character never part of the modern Alliance, Then both Kael and Draka are easily Horde characters due to their historical significance to core horde races.
Donāt accuse me of trolling if you donāt know what argument Iām making.