When is faction imbalance going to be addressed?

[Oorsay-sargeras]

A gay king?

[Motors-korgath (Motors)]

I have problems with this, and it’s all because the devs refuse to flesh out the alliance.

Anduin should be hated by the nobles houses of Stormwind. He’s young, he’s physically attractive, a war hero, and he’s still single . How many unwed noblewomen has he brushed off because he was too busy playing war (from their detached perspectives)?

Alliance story is in books unfortunately. But i think they might be moving more toward him and Taelia…eventually. Maybe not but i do see that as a strong possibility.

If Anduin ever gets hitched it’s going to happen in a mediocre novel that roughly 12 people end up reading. Kind of like the Mak’gora that killed Baine (somehow, I am one of those 12).

Hopefully it is not mediocre. I think some of the novels have been good including Before the Storm.

…you know, as opposed to an epic series of quest chains and quest lines that see you hacking through the stormwind and deposed Lordaeron nobility as you fend off a sea of back-stabbing, greedy, conniving noblewomen and their plans to become the next queen of all humans (which naturally comes down to a possibly devastating choice between Taelia Fordragon and Tess Greymane).

They should hire you to write some stuff for the Alliance.

[Atreis-thrall]

And even you have played others (almost like fotm racials, nothing wrong with that im just making an observation), i just don’t see it being the general population doing that. However i have seen it and witnessed it in the game AT THE HIGH END where min/maxing matters but only in that specific instance.

Edit, you added more:

I mean, i used to mythic raid on my main, a forsaken. Is forsaken the best? no, but the difference between racials are minor now.

It has very little to do with RPer’s. Even now look at the HUGE amount of people that are going to play Vulpera (which by the way will exacerbate the problem even more) and how those racials look. Racials just simply aren’t that crucial in the grand scheme of the game unless you are a min/maxer or someone who wants to be. They matter, they just don’t matter exclusively to the general population as you asserted.

That is because racials are fairly balanced now. They dont really matter anymore, as in in bfa, but that is only because they are balanced (somewhat). Go back in previous expansions and this was not the case at all, as racials very much could make or break entire swaths of content. being a tuaren resto druid vs a NE resto druid in an arena back in BC? the Tauren is almost gauranteed to lose.

If however, the racial balanced were to be skewed again in favor of one or another in a big way, racials would become important again

If you want to nitpick, i suppose i should have said “in general people chose their character based upon racials.”

[Ollin-uther (Ollin)]

They should hire you to write some stuff for the Alliance.

All they need to do is channel their inner GRRM. I mean, it’s not even difficult.

Proof? Because the “romancing the king” quests begin right after the end of the war, the horde leaders are invited as a matter of “building peace and goodwill”. This is what allows horde players to be involved.

The Aggra-comedy just writes itself…

Aggra: “This is a lot of humans. If this were an Orc life-mate ceremony, how many deaths do you think we would see?”

Talangi and her Zandalari troll escort arrive in the background

Thrall: “Humans are different from us. If there are any honor duels, something has probably gone very wrong…”

Aggra looks around the room and begins to see the daggers the various noblewomen are glancing at one another. She’s sharp. She catches on.

Aggra: [chuckles] “They’re not that different.”

Thrall: “What do you mean”?

Talangi to Aggra: [in jest] “I be bettin’ dat no less den twenty people die before dis party is ovah!”

…the real joke is that she’s right, and by the end of the function more than 20 people have been covertly killed by the Champion to thwart a plot against either Tess or Taelia (who are the obvious choices).

[Motors-korgath (Motors)]

I mean, i used to mythic raid on my main, a forsaken. Is forsaken the best? no, but the difference between racials are minor now.

True, they used to have a WIDE variation in value…not so much anymore.

If you want to nitpick, i suppose i should have said “in general people chose their character based upon racials.”

I don’t think it was nitpicking…and i just don’t think this statement is true other then for min/maxers and we know that the playerbase has A LOT of other player types. High End ENDGAME is and always has been a small percentage of the population.

That doesn’t mean racials aren’t important as i said earlier, i just don’t see any other population of the playerbase choosing a long term connection based solely on the racials. Racials in and of themselves are a niche topic and game mechanic really ONLY suited to matter when it gives a small percentage of an advantage.

All they need to do is channel their inner GRRM. I mean, it’s not even difficult .

Proof? Because the “romancing the king” quests begin right after the end of the war, the horde leaders are invited as a matter of “building peace and goodwill”. This is what allows horde players to be involved.

The Aggra-comedy just writes itself…

Aggra: “This is a lot of humans. If this were an Orc life-mate ceremony, how many deaths do you think we would see?”

Talangi and her Zandalari troll escort arrive in the background

Thrall: “Humans are different from us. If there are any honor duels, something has probably gone very wrong…”

Aggra looks around the room and begins to see the daggers the various noblewomen are glancing at one another. She’s sharp. She catches on.

Aggra: [chuckles] “They’re not that different.”

Thrall: “What do you mean”?

Talangi to Aggra: [in jest] “I be bettin’ dat no less den twenty people die before dis party is ovah!”

…the real joke is that she’s right, and by the end of the function more than 20 people have been covertly killed by the Champion to thwart a plot against either Tess or Taelia (who are the obvious choices).

Yep, they should hire you to help write Alliance stuff.

[Ollin-uther (Ollin)]

Yep, they should hire you to help write Alliance stuff.

Blizzard has interviewed me in person twice now for different non game-dev roles in the past three years.

If they want me, they know how to contact me.

[Mazhar-faerlina]

I literally explained it to you as to why the void elf racial was superior to you.

So let’s break down your explanation.

That is literally statistical proof

Statistical proof requires evidence.

Evidence is given in the form of data.

1% crit = 1% more damage.
Void elf racial= 5% damage increase

How is 1% critical strike equivalent to 1% more damage? 1% critical strike just means that you will land a critical strike more often. It’s possible to land a critical strike more often than a void elf and do double the amount of damage that outcompetes a void elf’s damage.

To disprove my counterexample and prove your own argument you need data. This is how statistics work.

You have no data.

Point ignored.

priest going up against a void elf shadow priest will result in th void elf shadow priest dealing 1% more damage than the zandalari shadow priest.

In theory this sounds right, but the only way to verify this is by getting data.

You have no data.

You failed to satisfy the most basic component of statistics.

Point Ignored.

So why are alliance racials better?
They have more utility, such as shadowmeld or haymaker.

The conclusion you arrive at is completely non-sequitur. Your proof is:

Premise: Alliance racials are better than Horde racials.

1. 1% crit is equivalent to an increase of 1% damage
2. Void Elves do 5% more damage
3. A Void Elf would do more damage to a Zandalari
4. Therefore, Alliance racials have more utility.

And that is why no one takes alliance players like you who cry about racials seriously.

I don’t take you seriously because you don’t know how to form a coherent logical argument and you don’t know how to perform a statistical analysis despite using this term.

Try again.

[Archmage-azralon (Archmage)]

This is just entry gear to promote War Mode, and when 8.2 released the ilvl was 400, any mythic+/mythic raider was sitting in ~420 ilvl around this time. AOO is just a glorified War Mode Emissary for casual players.

I think the best solution for this matter is allowing some form of Cross-Faction play, but since Blizzard doesn’t wanna do it, they can give utility racials for Alliance like Horde has and allow free factions transfers until things get better on Alliance side.

Even reducing the raid size, or adding back a 10-man option for Cutting Edge content would help this matter.

Regardless of the solution, if this game is meant to have two factions then Blizzard must do something to keep them healthy, OTHERWISE THERE’S NO POINT OF HAVING TWO FACTIONS!

[Itlatn-illidan]

So let’s break down your explanation.

I read your entire post and I honestly do not know how to respond to such a ridiculous notion.
The very fact you are requesting data in order to verify basic algebra is in itself, a foolish notion.
I suppose flipping a coin does not provide a 50% chance of it being heads, until you have someone flip it an infinite number of times in front of you.
I am not qualified to conduct such a basic explanation of math to you, I do not have the patience I admit, in the face of such willful ignorance. So I shall address the parts that are not so…challenged.

Therefore, Alliance racials have more utility.

Not sure where you got the therefore, as the previous statements do not alude to it as a conclusion.
The point of the utility matter is part of the additional reason of alliance racials being superior to those of the Horde is a meaningful way. Hence, MDI.
Where all the teams are alliance based and not Horde based because the utility they provide is far greater.

I don’t take you seriously because you don’t know how to form a coherent logical argument

You don’t take me seriously because like motors, you have an opinion on the matter, and you’re so hellbent on holding onto it that you’ll do odd things such as demanding data for proof of basic algebra. No…pardon…simple math.

“Hey, flipping a coin is not a 50/50 chance of heads or tails. They might get heads or tails more. We need more data. Infinite amounts of data.”

That’s you. That’s not logical. That’s cognitive dissonance at work.
You’re worse than Motors, and that takes quite a feat.

[Itlatn-illidan]

Both factions are healthy.
The areas it isnt is the hardcore content which small participation occurs.
What do you propose blizzard does to change this?

[Masurao-lightbringer]

Make Ion play 50% of his game time on an Alliance toon, with getting essences finished being mandatory for him on that character.

Guaranteed things get fixed real quick then.

[Pepino-caelestrasz (Pepino)]

I think be addressed pre patch, theirs room for one more allied race, I think they got an ace up their sleeve! Alliance should get something good

I only play Horde but I think fair is fair no?

[Archmage-azralon (Archmage)]

Both factions are healthy.

Yeah, everything is fine.

I wonder if you also have access to WoW current number of subscribers…

The areas it isnt is the hardcore content which small participation occurs.
What do you propose blizzard does to change this?

You’re literally replying to my thoughts about things that could help making things better…

[Rålph-nagrand]

Guaranteed things get fixed real quick then.

Extremely accurate, like many times mythic bosses get nerfed coincidentally when his guild reaches that boss.

Dat wake of flame nerf xD

[Ltque-proudmoore (Ltque)]

So you don’t care about horde players, but want them to come back to alliance…

We get perma merc mode, but all it means is we queue faster to lose.

Mythic groups are better on horde but not alliance… so… that’d be a player issue, not a balance one. Alliance players just aren’t that good. You can’t force people to play a side they don’t want to.

You guys get easymode buffs, and when you get what you scream about, you just scream for more. And more. And more.

Can you even blame horde players for distancing themselves?

[Thanastasia-lightnings-blade]

So blizzard shouldn’t have done anything to fix it when the horde were getting roflstomped?
Just told to participate more and ‘git gud’?

[Ltque-proudmoore (Ltque)]

Wasn’t a get good issue. It was a “oh look there is no incentive to play because blizzard caved to the moaning and gave alliance everything they wanted and gave us nothing” issue.

If horde had crazy bonuses for something and alliance didn’t would you participate?

[Thanastasia-lightnings-blade]

That’s for sure! I still have no idea how he can lead the team without experiencing what half of his customer base is experiencing!

[Tabaqui-wyrmrest-accord (Tabaqui)]

Easy … make alliance edgy instead of goody two shoes . Commit couple of war crimes, kill the king etc

I mean… I just started doing the WC for the Alliance. I was expecting to see how much nicer and smarter the Alliance would be portrayed.

Yikes.

Their WC is colonialism writ large. They invade another sovreign nation after imprisoning one of their royal family and then constantly complain about the “savages” killing their people. In the first Zandalar step in fact, the captain comments “Princess Talanjii, eh? She’ll learn what it is to make the Alliance your enemy!”

Excuse me? As if the Alliance didn’t imprison her without cause first? And then the Alliance is all “omg we need a fleet to combat the Zandalari” after their ships literally ONLY got fired on because they chased the princess into the Zandalari harbor?

They say that the Sethrak are “aggressive indigenous people” who can’t be reasoned with and sadly need to be wiped out so the Alliance can use a harbor they like in that region. Excuse me, whatnow? Genocide on elves = bad, genocide on “snake people” is okay because you want their land?

They also decide to assassinate a series of ARCHEOLOGISTS, including laughing over bombing a completely separate digsite and blowing a goblin into the sky. Then one of the bombers is attacked by a San’layn and the commander has the gall to say “how low the Horde has fallen” for allying with them. Wow.

They also go murder a bunch of homeless exiles because “even though they’re exiles, they’re still Zandalari and the Zandalari are practically allied with the Horde and must learn to fear us.” So they knew these people had no political power and murdered them simply because of their race, when they acknowledge the Zandalari aren’t even allied with the Horde. Hmm, I wonder why Talanjii makes the choice to ally with us after how relentlessly murderous the Alliance is.

Not to mention that Anduin is all “well, we don’t have any troops to spare to take back your land, Tyrande,” when the Alliance CHOSE to go to war with the Zandalari. Then he loans a chunk of his remaining army to Saurfang? Wow.

But somehow the Alliance believe and are presented as NOT “morally grey” because what the Horde does is worse?

Yeah, they’re not squeaky clean. They just refuse to admit it, and that makes them both hypocritical and deeply boring.

[Tabaqui-wyrmrest-accord (Tabaqui)]

I also hope that one day, Blizz will make an expansion where the Alliance are the aggressors.

They were. Go do their storyline. They decided to go to war with the Zandalari for literally no reason other than that the princess they imprisoned without cause was rescued by the Horde.