When did KSM become so devalued?

[Sasarai-blades-edge]

I find that when i dont get street cred with achievements, i link rare mogs. When that doesnt have them drooling in envy, i pull out that rare mount.

If they dont immediately congratulate me, i go see my mommy, who then tells me im super cool and not pointless achievements make me one cool cat.

Then, and only then do i have self worth

[Tpbucs-sargeras]

why so passive aggressive, my guy? bad day?

[Cäpslöck-proudmoore]

You also need tyranical score, time a 15 tyran and you’ll probably have about 260-270

[Neralya-magtheridon (Neralya)]

I’m reallt curious what the situation is that you feel compelled to link an achievement to get respect from other players is.

Is it to get invites to groups?

Remember, we can just buy KSM now pretty much, so yeah… its value is pretty much zero.

Some of us pugged our way there with great difficulty, and it may be important to us, but that’s about it. My friends gave me a “grats!” when I earned mine, and I feel happy about it, but I don’t expect it to “prove” anything to anyone else who is entirely irrelevant to me.

Remember, even college and universities degrees can be purchased now. You can pay a couple hundred bucks and get a PhD from a “university” and the diploma farm based somewhere usually outside of NA will create everything: references, attendance lists, even fake assignments. It’s insane!

[Ahnohla-hyjal]

I think I still have a Best Reader certificate from 1st grade somewhere… that would surely do it, right.

[Tpbucs-sargeras]

@Neralya-magtheridon

I’m reallt curious what the situation is that you feel compelled to link an achievement to get respect from other players is.

Is it to get invites to groups?

Remember, we can just buy KSM now pretty much, so yeah… its value is pretty much zero.

Some of us pugged our way there with great difficulty, and it may be important to us, but that’s about it. My friends gave me a “grats!” when I earned mine, and I feel happy about it, but I don’t expect it to “prove” anything to anyone else who is entirely irrelevant to me.

Remember, even college and universities degrees can be purchased now. You can pay a couple hundred bucks and get a PhD from a “university” and the diploma farm based somewhere usually outside of NA will create everything: references, attendance lists, even fake assignments. It’s insane!

tbh when it comes to m+ im a complete novice lol. I seriously thought that by linking my KSM id have more of a chance of getting an invite amongst a sea of dps. just wnated to stand out basically.

[Ahnohla-hyjal]

Understandable, but it will only make you stand out in the wrong way. If you really want to give yourself an edge, tell them you are x covenant (assuming it is relevant to the dungeon). Tell them you have feasts or flasks, or something… I mean none of these may help, but at worst they won’t hurt.

[Kolgait-shattered-hand (Kolgait)]

@Haavi-barthilas

just time a 13 in with each affix and you’re done

Err, no, that won’t give you KSM. You’ll get to about 2300.

[Kolgait-shattered-hand (Kolgait)]

@Ithost-illidan

Forgot to mention, KSM is also devalued due to the players themselves. I don’t trust 2500 IO players or give respect to their IO because I’ve been selling players timed 15 runs since the start of the patch. The massive portion of players who just get tokens and pay us is ruining the credibility of the overall unknown player base. These days I assume people just pay for carries and that’s why they are bad.

So you don’t trust 2500 IO because you made it not worth anything because you are selling runs?

Holy hypocrisy!

[Nowk-stormrage]

I honestly just like the mount and titles, if you want to prove you are good there are better ways to show it and better metrics than achievments.

[Neralya-magtheridon (Neralya)]

@Tpbucs-sargeras

tbh when it comes to m+ im a complete novice lol. I

Really? I find it hard to believe that someone who has done all (yes, I know you don’t need all timed 15s) 15s legitimately would consider themselves a “novice”.

At least to me, a novice is someone who has barely broken the 3 affix barrier. Once you start dealing with 4 affixes and multiple pulls at the same time, you begin to leave the novice bracket.

I suppose if you’re carried through them all and get KSM even if it’s not paid for… then yes, one could be a novice – like if a group of friends carries a buddy through.

[Etamalgren-drenden (Etamalgren)]

@Dreadsurge-sargeras

@Heyimboosted-area-52

Exactly, I’m getting mine next week.

Name checks out.

His guild name checks out too

[Kolgait-shattered-hand (Kolgait)]

@Neralya-magtheridon

Once you start dealing with 4 affixes and multiple pulls at the same time, you begin to leave the novice bracket.

Err what?

0-9 is Novice
10-14 is Intermediary
15-20 is Hard
20-25 is Pro
25+ is Insane

[Kalaen-black-dragonflight (Kalaen)]

The goal posts move further as we learn2play over time.
Also people above ksm like to say it’s easy, and people below ksm like to complain of toxicity.
Most (60%?) m+ players make ksm their end of season goal, so it still has relevance.
I respect your ksm, it’s a fun milestone.
edit: ksm is likely the most pay2win achieve from what I can tell in pay2win carry discords and word of mouth.
Suggests to me that many people aren’t good enough to earn ksm who still want it.
Just know that people in 20s are pretty bad, too. Just as bad as failures in +15, but they get carried by 4pc, double leggo, lucky wpn drop, and just networking with people better than they are.
And that very similar all 20s, 3000io is suppose to be idk, the top 12-20% of players? So really you can’t say that only the top 11% range have worth in this game. The game isn’t even made for the top 11%. It’s made for ksm range.

[Ahnohla-hyjal]

Different people are going to have different opinions.

Where I am at (15-17) I would personally consider Intermediary.

[Bertimus-sargeras (Bertimus)]

Relative ease this season. Heroic jailer is apparently pretty hard and it also apparently doesn’t drop stuff that people want to farm it for. It’s also just generally harder to get high rated in arena than ksm. We (collectively) outgeared 15 super fast this season too.

[Tpbucs-sargeras]

and this is what i dont understand. i follow a few m+ players on twitch who are 3200 to 3500 raider score now. according to them if you are NOT timing at least a 20+ key this late in the season then you are a novice. and then on the other hand ive asked my guild if completing 15s on time is a big deal and they said yes! lol who knows anymore

[Neralya-magtheridon (Neralya)]

Not sure what the confusion is… even in your breakdown, novice ends at 9. I said around 4 affixes you begin to leave novice. And 4 affixes happen at 10.

I agree with your breakdown too.

The rate of pulls though also p lays a role; like dealing with the first triple pull in HoA even in a +9 is not a “novice” thing to do imo. I still see people who die in that pull or the first mass pull of DoS =/

[Neralya-magtheridon (Neralya)]

@Tpbucs-sargeras

i follow a few m+ players on twitch who are 3200 to 3500 raider score now. according to them if you are NOT timing at least a 20+ key this late in the season then you are a novice.

Well there’s your problem right there. Streamers care only about views and cash, that’s it. So they’ll say whatever contrarian thing they need to in order to “one up” everyone else and build their weird cultish following.

What counts as “novice” or not is entirely subjective. There are people who also think AotC, even when earned, is meaningless because it’s not mythic.

If those streamers were pushing 30s (just being hyperbolic) they would say anything not timing 25s is a noob. If they pushed 40s, they’d say anyone not timing 30s is a noob, etc etc.

[Ithost-illidan]

yea ofc, why would i trust a bracket that constantly buys runs? LOL