I link my KSM and literally no one respects that achievement anymore.
Cause it can be bought.
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For this reason alone. Ignore achievements and look at run history instead.
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So many with KSM are terrible. You can tell they bought it. Honestly I got KSM with pugging. It isn’t that hard. AOTC also means nothing, heck CE barely means anything. If they want meaning again, then ALL carries need to be against the rules.
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ksm stinks it’s obtainable by basically anyone without any real effort required like modern day glad
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wait what??? ok so KSM means nothing, AOTC means nothing, and now CE barely means anything? uhh so then what do we link if were trying to get Keystone Hero?
I look at ilvl, and history. How many keys have you ran? How many were timed? etc.
Big red flags are high scores with low # of keys ran.
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It was never worth anything, silly. KSM could be as low as top 30% or something.
You don’t even have to time the keys to get KSM, anymore. They made it super easy.
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Exactly, I’m getting mine next week.
You don’t. You avoid pugging KSH.
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If you are looking for respect in a video game, you are doing it wrong.
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Wait what? That’s the whole point hahahaha Key Stone Masters don’t even need to master the dungeons 
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Because someone could literally get it on another character and not have done anything on their other character.
We have dungeon score now and RIO shows mains too usually. If you link KSM and only have 60 dungeon score for a +15 sign up I’m not inviting you.
To add: case in point. OP’s toon that he is posting on doesn’t have KSM but if you look at his achievements, he has KSM. His io is high enough on that character.
Op, I suggest on RIO making that toon’s io tied with your main one’s io so you don’t have to link the achievement. Someone could find you linking the achievement annoying and simply decline you based on that.
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It’s pretty easy to get these days, even outside of boosts.
You could technically get it without timing a 15 I believe these days, just time a 13 in with each affix and you’re done.
I recall someone saying the current threshold was designed for an 8 dungeon design, but wasn’t increased when the two Tazavesh dungeons were added. So essentially you get a bonus ~400 points just for doing those alone, so really the KSM rating is like 2100 this patch.
They aren’t wrong.
Seriously?!?!? I might go for it then!!!
I timed a 17 streets today and didn’t get 250 or higher. Got like 204 or something. Didn’t make sense
Key Stone Good Enuff
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I disagree on the CE point, you can easily tell when someone bought CE. By either looking at the fact that they only have a single kill on the final boss, or looking at their parses.
I do agree that AotC and KSM are a joke now given how easily you can either be carried for it or it can be bought. KSH even doesn’t hold much weight either honestly as that’s easy to buy this tier too.
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CE with logs to back it up. Its that simple.