The Alliance side finds it and it gets passed on to Rogers.
And since she crash lands on Stormheim we can assume azsuna happened first.
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You give it to a Worgen who says they will pass it to Rogers. Rogers makes no mention of seeing the letter or accepting it.
Again, the timeline is uncertain.
As Frytha said, there is a Horde version.
Often times when there are 2 separate versions, Blizzard will claim one was canon. They have not yet done that in this case.
People can assume Sylvanas is really a talking donut if it makes them happy - assumptions are not canon.
I think honestly, it’s overall a moot point.
Sure, Genn defied orders, and Anduin should be assertive about the matter, but all Genn would have to do is just admit wrong but still explain what he uncovered in his efforts, that he uncovered a scheme Sylvanas was hatching that could have been bad news for the Alliance. At that point, yes, I don’t see why he should be punished severely with that in mind. It’s really quite that easy for Genn to exonerate himself just because of what Sylvanas was doing. Any Alliance member would do the same thing, and would look back with regret that they didn’t considering the likelihood of what Sylvanas having more power would entail.
And really, it’s just odd to me that people do not like the High King concept but when a character does something they don’t like, then suddenly they support the High King going full tyranny mode.
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I find it very interesting how we are expected to fill in the blanks for most characters to justify their motivations (i.e assuming the note made it to Rogers/Genn) but when it comes to Sylvanas we need to see everything with our own eyes otherwise she is lying/wrong. Even when another character admits that she’s right, she’s still wrong because she’s manipulating them.
It’s very disingenuous and people need to start being consistent in the standards they hold the story and characters to.
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If only that stuck up priestess Tyrande had gotten immolated along with that tree. It was cool of them to help out Gilneas, but the Alliance doesn’t really need them. In fact, all elves should be reduced to chattel. With how frequently they get themselves into trouble to be bailed out by their betters, it’s clear that they cannot be trusted to self-govern.
The four higher races (humans, dwarves, trolls, and tauren) should assume the mantle of leadership, while orcs and draenei are reduced to clients under the guardianship of trolls and humans respectively. Gnomes and goblins also cannot be fully trusted with political autonomy (though for different reasons) and should be put under guardianship of the dwarves and tauren. Then with elves put in their proper place of servitude, and the undead cleansed from the face of Azeroth, we will finally gain the necessary strength and unity to purge the influence of the Old Gods.
After which point we will be able to expand into the Twisting Nether seizing new worlds. We’ll be the biggest thing since the Burning Legion–The Azerite Legion.
Kinda goes for the anti-Genn people here as well, tbh.
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People need to decide what is acceptable and what is not within the WoW universe and they need to stick with it regardless of which character we are discussing.
When I see someone arguing a point about the horde or Sylvanas in one thread and then arguing the exact opposite in another thread in defense of Genn or the Alliance it’s very telling. And the opposite is true as well.
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I don’t know if the Alliance players will get over it. But, maybe we should. Before you jump down my throat hear me out.
Things like Camp Taco, the purge and the bbq are meant to do one thing and one thing only. It’s to get us hyped for the expac and make us angry st the other side. Blizz has done this, fostering real hate for the people on the other side of a damn game for years. They ramp it up more and more because they feel the need to draw in hype and make us emotional. The end result is Alliance players who want to destroy the Horde, not unreasonably considering the circumstances, but at the expense of the Horde players. The Horde players get defensive and reach for reasons to cling to a faction they loved even as they are being forced into being villains. All of this arguing, in the end, distracts from the real issue. Blizz has given up trying to make a story in favor of outrage because the more noise we make to them means we are engaged.
I propose we treat the story with all the apathy it deserves. I’d love to see a blizzcon where everyone, Alliance and Horde, just spend the panels staring at the devs, silent save for occasionally asking where the good stories are
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i concur, its their fault the faction war story sucks for both sides, we have nowhere to see but behind the curtains.
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Remember when you said citation is needed for Sylvanas having genocidal intent and I provided you with one? You should really provide citations of your own if you’re going to make calls for them.
Here instead is a citation of the Night Elves as a whole deciding not to kill the Satyrs:
- After the War of the Ancients, the surviving satyrs were assembled together. I argued to execute them for their transgressions, but our merciful nature won the day. I was overruled.
Instead, the satyrs were placed in an eternal sleep deep below the roots of Shaladrassil.
Sylvanas’ internal monologue from A Good War:
- This battle was not about a piece of land. Even Saurfang knew that. Taking the World Tree was a way to inflict a wound that could never heal. Losing their homes and their leaders would have ended the kaldorei as a nation, if not a people. Even the loss of one leader would have been enough to create a tide of despair. The wounds of this battle would have bled, festered, decayed, and rotted the Alliance from the inside out.
Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide
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Article II
In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:
(a) Killing members of the group;
(b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
(c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
(d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
(e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.
Sylvanas had the intention to destroy the Night Elves as a nation. She intended to kill their leaders. She intended to cause serious mental harm as a tide of despair. She intended to deliberately inflict the loss of their homes and leaders as a condition of life that would bring about the end of the Night Elves as a people.
As Article II says genocide means any of those act, not requiring all listed acts such as (d) or (e), Sylvanas intended to commit genocide by this very definition you are referencing.
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Then they have remarkably failed. I don’t hate the Horde, nor do I hate the players. I hate the WRITERS.
I hate that we’re going through this god damn tired trope yet again because Blizzard feels like they want to take a second swing at MoP.
I don’t hate the Horde, even when I get agitated by the forum trolls who LARP about Sylvannas didnu do nuthin wrong. It’s a bad story. The playerbase had absolutely zero influence on it. Anyone who hates another player because they decided to pick a different color than them is incredibly petty.
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It was the magic within interacting with the magic the Horde shamans placed on the catapault loads… Teldrassil didn’t burn as much as exploded within.
I thought you didn’t consider A Good War canon?
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My theories a bout how things happen are independent of “A Good War”. “Fact” of the matter is that the Horde DID burn down Teldrassil, and that they used catapults to do it. Speculation is open as to the “how” as we’ll never really get a full detailed answer.
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Ah. I was confused since your post read as if you were stating a fact as opposed to proposing a hypothesis.
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It’s almost frustrating to see this argument re-appear… mostly because even IF there was a canonical order, it wouldn’t matter. We know they weren’t acting on that fragmented letter, and we know they didn’t know what Sylvanas was doing- as per the alliance questing. 
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I only came in to give my 2 cents on what I thought the order was, why is this a big deal? Cursewords seems really aggressive about insisting none of our rationalizing is canon despite the order not really changing the sequence of events. It’s not like Han Shot First or Teldrassil first vs Undercity first.
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That should prove my intention is canon accuracy. Since my only dog in this fight is the legitimately official canon vs the assumptions of others.
I believe I am taking the fair view by acknowledging there is no canon order of zones until Blizzard lays out how they are dealing with Legion’s canon.
Blizzard has not clarified the inconsistencies in Legion, like who actually finds the letter - Horde or Alliance - since both do.
Blizzard has not yet doled out credit for zones, raids, and other events. And Legion was purposefully designed for people to tackle the zones as they choose. Blizzard could make Order Halls the canon actors and not the Factions. Meaning many leveling events could canonically occur simultaneously.
Posters claiming Rogers and Genn received that letter before Anduin sends them to Stormheim are just making an assumption. Such a thing is never mentioned.
The “other side” is making assumptions and presuming them to be canon. If pointing that out makes me aggressive, so be it.
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Rationalizing is only allowed if it makes Sylvanas or the blood elves look good. Remember that!
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