Who cares? Releasing something at the end doesn’t feel the same as releasing it at the start.
If I say Spring release what day do you think of? I know Mar 4th!
Any day during the three month spring season, I don’t start expecting any particular days until it’s either announced or a release looks imminent.
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Some of you have a superiority complex that needs checked. It’s really gross to read. What exactly is your problem with people being able to fly in the way they want? Who are you to demand they conform to a gameplay style that they may not be able to handle for reasons outside of their control? Who are you to police their idea of fun? Since when did you get to decide what they can and can’t do? This community really is irksome sometimes. Just because YOU are loving dragonriding and just because I am loving dragonriding and just because we can handle it DOES NOT MEAN that everyone can.
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and you can say what you want just as easily regardless of other people’s opinions yours is not absolute.
This is what confuses me. If someone wants to use the inferior flying, why would anyone else care? You can zip past me on your fast dragon. You can beat me to nodes. And I can enjoy my slow flight and the world around me. It has NO effect on the people who want Dragon riding. So, why not have both?
I saw only one halfway decent reason. It may be a lot of additional programming. I’m not a programmer, I don’t know how it works. Every other reason I have seen comes down to, “I don’t want it so it shouldn’t be in the game.”
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So how does DR work for things that do not derive lift from aerodynamics? e.g. Legion Paladin Mounts, Headless horseman’s mount, Red Flying Shield, things without wings. etc?
I am glad that you enjoy the endless grind involved in crossing a map with only ground mounts - I had all of that I needed in Vanilla and I won’t do that while others are flying around me for months or maybe forever. I simply can’t use the DR system, it is worse than manually walking the chains in Torghast was.
Like pretty much all of the system changes introduced by this expansion, they just haven’t thought this through. Blizzard choose to make DR central to this expansion even though we warned them that some people just would not be able to enjoy the DR mini-game. And they are sitting on their hands and not addressing the issue one way or another.
How much interesting content has been cut to enable Ion to reinvent the wheel?
IRT to your original reply, DR may not have been intended to be a challenge but it is. I can’t enjoy it and because it is central to this expansion, for the first time I have ended my sub. Also, I do not care what Blizzard wants. I don’t care about their vision, their dreams of enforced participation, nada. Blizzard is a software vendor. I don’t want their product as it is currently structured.
To anyone who enjoys flying mounts, I urge you to terminate your sub. I fear it is the only way to avoid having to do DR forever.
because this argument falls into the same category as “get rid of flying, we don’t need it”. funny though, not seeing that one much if at all anymore, only the current one reflecting original flying versus dragon gliding.
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Dragon riding would be great if 1. server lag wasn’t a thing with wow now 2. gathering buffed your vigor much more. After a month with them, gimme my mounts back.
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I doubt that myself, I think most likely the flight “mode” so to speak is programmed to the mount, not the area, with the dragon isles setup as a no fly zone and dragonriding mounts completely disabled in other zones so that people don’t zoom around faster than those areas were designed for.
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Maybe because, in their hearts, they know that the ability to get up and address a RL issue (need to use restroom, settle the children, etc) by jumping on a flying mount and getting out of critter range beats “zoom zoom weee” for adults.
Despite how wonderful they say it is, they do not seem to believe that the majority would choose DR given the choice, so the choice must not be allowed.
Or other reasons. 
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All 14 of you.
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If by core you mean something they realised they couldn’t reconcile with any open world and struggled with
Wotlk - Cold weather flying cost in gold
Cata - they saw how awful it and HGWT was for dailies and disabled flying for the Molten Front in Firelands
MoP - flying gated behind gold. they disabled flying for the Isle after seeing how people were just trivialising the WQs and open world mechanics.
WoD - they tried to get rid of it but didn’t have an answer and had to resort to pathfinder.
Legion - they tried pathfinder again, delaying flying to 7.2 and had to break addons because the play became so degenerate people would hit a button to be transported to a shard with an active group and would afk on their mounts above the WQ hub and get credit
BFA - pathfinder once again, trying to delay the degeneracy that flying provoked as long as possible. Nazjatar came with flying gated.
Shadowlands - heavily gated once more and no flying to date in Korthia or the Maw.
They’ve tried to get rid of this “core feature” a.k.a. airswimming with infinite hover for a really, really long time. Dragonflight was in the works when Legion was live. Removing airswimming has been a long time coming and if they keep improving dragonriding they’ll have a good chance on selling enough people to embrace it and not unsub over airswimming.
Beautiful. Thank you for your considered post.
If they give you the ability to use the dragonflight flight model with your old mounts, then you’ll be flying with your old mounts you chose. I think it’ll be quite immersion breaking to have some of them glide but I think it’s a fair tradeoff if people who genuinely want to fly using their old mounts and don’t want to just airswim and infinite hover again.
I said that it was a fact that blizzard has made zone after world zone ground mount only because airswimming trivialises the world environment. You saying that you can fly in the Molten Front or Timeless Isle? I never said my opinion was fact, just that my opinion was backed by facts. There’s a difference.
You know that in the ToS they specify clearly that you own nothing in this game and that every pixel on your character and the character you post on is the property of Blizzard right? They removed Have Group Will Travel in game after guilds ground out r25 in Cata and they can remove anything they like.
Agreed. WotLK xrealm RDF and TBC airswimming are joint #1 for the worst decisions in WoW’s history and they’re paying the price for both.
Okay, I can see the logic in that. I would not like it, but I can see it. Then it seems to make sense older zones keep the original flying, DI keep dragon flying, and going forward is up in the air. I actually like seeing logical reasons for restrictions. It helps adjust my reasoning.
If they can add regular flight, slow as it is, I would still prefer that for my gathering and exploring in the DI. It’s the people who come off as selfish, wanting their preferred method only, that make me angry. If we logically can’t have both, I would want to know why. If there is a logical reason, I can bite my tongue and go mope in older expansions, if I am being honest.
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This could be accomplished with regular flight, too.
Unless you were a druid, you have always had to land to do everything in this game that advanced the character.
The mentality that drove people skipping content or taking the path of least resistance isn’t gone. Any questing area is full of players hopping their dragons around to get what they want with the least amount of time-consuming combat.
The problem is they expect engagement and participation of that same content to remain at a static level for a year or more when the shelf life for world content is more like 3 months. And they do keep wasting our time, too. “Here’s a WQ for a reward for…another spec.” THANKS, BLIZZARD. The incentives to do any of the world content shrink with every profession point, renown, and gear upgrade we get.
And I’m not sold that you can successfully force engagement and alter behavior in the long term (mainly, because Blizzard keeps trying to do it). You either want something that a piece of content awards or you don’t. We all triage world content for what gives us what we want, and usually by how easy/fast it might be. The player gets to decide when the value of that content changes, not the developer.
Look at the content you haven’t done in past expansions. Has your attitude toward content you normally don’t do changed because you have to do it on the ground for a year? Has it changed because of dragonriding? When you hit what is endgame for you, is dragonriding going to sell you on doing the content you don’t do in the absence of rewards that you want?
If flight had been in the Maw at some point (and it wasn’t openly hostile to things like cooperation), it would have had higher participation from players like me than it did. As it is, the days I completely ignored the Maw probably totaled 8 months of the expansion’s lifespan, and it didn’t hurt me at all to give it a pass.
And I don’t think players bear any responsibility for the Maw. Blizzard wanted to make a Hellish Hell and did so, maybe not considering if it would be fun for a lot of players for two years. Or they didn’t care how miserable an experience it could be.
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LoL Blizzard logic?
Heck I like dragon riding for covering long distances, but for my everyday play? Not so much.
I didn’t know dragon mounts are a substitute for a brutosaur. Are we playing the same game?
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it is NOT “backed by facts” though, it’s backed by your speculation. There’s a difference.
You get a Blizzard developer to come on this thread and verify your speculation, and I’ll concede the point. Until then, speculation is all it is.
You keep going in these long convoluted circles to try to justify your opinion, but nothing changes.
I get that you don’t like legacy flying. I get that you don’t want to have it in the game.
I also get that both yours and my reasons are based on our personal opinions. Both are about as equally valid as anyone else’s on this forum.
You don’t seem to be able to accept that folks flatly disagree with you.
In the end it will be up to Blizzard to decide.
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Thank you for your patient and considered post. I believe that if they crack down on bots (particularly druid bots which are not as easy to code with dragonriding as they are with airswimming) the rate of gathering all materials for everyone will be roughly the same and while it won’t be easy for me to herb mindlessly while on work Zooms the cost per herb / ore will stay high enough that gatherers will be rewarded much more richly than in past expansions.
Anyone who’s seen how rare slurs and insults are in game compared to, say, 07, will realise that yes, behaviour can be changed and with transmog you had a lot more people than just RPers who would collect outfits and have engaged with legacy content and stayed subbed just to do so. That’s an example of encouraging (as opposed to forcing) engagement and changing behaviour off the top of my head.
Imagine if they do a dragonriding version of rocket league or splatoon or heck, even quidditch. You think there’s no chance anything they build on top of the dragonriding mechanic could be a success?
There’s no speculation in the statements
a) "flying is deliberately disabled in the Timeless Isle and on the Molten Front questing areas (cata and mop)
b) “flying was sought to be removed from WoW entirely in the expansion directly following cata and mop.”
what you’re doing is clinging to the hope that if you call everything speculative, you’ll get airswimming back soon. I sympathise with your wish but my opinion, backed by the facts I’ve listed in this thread, is that it’d be good for the game if what you hope for doesn’t come true.
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My gyrocopter doesn’t fly like a dragon. It doesn’t shoot straight up in the air to gain speed or glide downward or lose power. I don’t require regular flight to be anything other than what it was.
I have zero problem with “air swim” and infinite hover. I have better things to do with my game time than be a WoW Karen stalking and disapproving of other players for daring to commit the crime of hovering and doing nothing when they should be on the ground, still doing nothing.
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Those short statements are just history. They’re not describing any reasoning behind why those decisions were made. Those are the “facts” you need to present… factually.
What I’m doing is disagreeing with your claim of associating YOUR opinion with facts.
It’s just an opinion, same as mine.
Neither yours nor my opinions alone will make up Blizzard’s mind. Numbers will do that; numbers that neither of us has any access to.
Like I said, you die on your hill; I’ll die on mine.
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