Scales / Blaze are both incredibly weak. I can pre-use both at 100% and still die pretty easily without committing additional defensives.
Shroud is strong against teams without a purge, but its much stronger as a healer than as a DPS.
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Yeah I agree healers benefit from null much more than dps, but you do have mobility on your side with not being able to be slowed while you’re flying around. I think a lot of peoples actual “defensive” CDs feel weak rn because of the amount of damage everyone is doing. A lot of them don’t even make sense like monks 6 minute CD 20% damage mitigation is pretty laughable. Only classes like warlock do defensive cd’s feel impactful. Honestly I feel like if damage is going to stay this high across the board many classes defensives should be looked at and possibly buffed since many of them are also on pretty decently long CDs.
again, I’ve said monk needed zero dmg compensations for the nerf to sotwl.
yeah it ws delusional to say WW burst was anything like ret’s is right now. If this was slands it would be a valid argument, but a one shot that could walled and survive and a burst that cant and kills the whole team.
Monks burst is still wild if you set it up correctly. Lemme find the video I watched yesterday on YouTube where the guy was saying “I thought this got nerfed” and proceeded to one shot everyone.
Also you can absolutely live rets burst if you’re not a goober. Stop acting like they press one button and do 500k dmg. Once you do live it you can proceed to destroy them pretty easily.
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I never said dam wasn’t insane, it is for a lot of specs but ret isn’t top priority for sure. My point was pointing out the saltiness then coming to the forums to complain more…least be honest with what was done and said.
And it was a skirm…
A UNRATED skirm where we got a variety of geared people. Had an ele sham slam Khas earlier with a load of overloaded lightning bolts…just chill “cupcake”
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and the clip of twitch was a rated arena with r1s, your point isn’t valid. The damage doesn’t change because of the location
Hahahahahah all comes to light you could already tell what kind of human this thing was by the tmog.
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The problem is nobody wants to make actual constructive criticism. Everyone just cries nerf but doesn’t offer any credible feedback. Give rets more consistent damage along with mobility and defense buffs and a nerf to burst would then be warranted. It’s pretty simple. All anyone is saying is that they won’t be viable without the burst without anything else given to them. Even if they gave them the WW treatment they would still flop due to defense/mobility.
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Eh just another in denial and wants to blame external factors when we all have room for improvement. (Not you, mean OP).
Pvp wise I lvl an alt in bgs and it never feels like lvling. When I get to max lvl I already have 10+k honor and can get full honor set and never have that problem. Don’t show up half naked with Alts and get violated imo.
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Plus they got crafted pvp gear including trinkets to fill in what you can’t buy.
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Interesting how you have not responded to the facts I laid out about that clip.
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Am I the only one that doesn’t think ret burst is that big of a deal? They die pretty easily and are the only melee that is kiteable. Sure, they can instagib you when they occasionally hit the slot machine 777 lucky ladies. But a lot of classes do that.
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I, as a dirty wpvper, have higher xp than everyone of you defending ret right now, some of that experience has even been ret in seasons before monk was even a class. I’m not the best player in the world by any means, I’m average at best, but I still understand that killing a 600k healthed player with strong defensive cds up in 2 globals isn’t healthy for this game
interesting you ignore the dmg done in quick succession that’s being pointed out. But keep going
Dying easy and having burst are Two different things. Just because you die easily doesn’t take away from being bursty as hell.
It certainly doesn’t, but this is what’s referred to as a “glass cannon”.
Ah the “xp card”. Now I know you’re full of it when you pull that. Yes, I am no Duelist/Glad but everyone is entitled to an opinion. All I’ve said is there’s higher targets on a list for nerfs than ret. Like others said, compensate where they are lacking then nerf the burst.
Sad people from my old server have this attitude…
Bringing rating into this is plain stupid. I know exactly where I am in rating esp for a casual but it doesn’t invalidate what I say.
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yall are telling me it’s a l2p issue, so yeah it becomes relevant at that point.
no one is doing the instantaneous damage ret is doing
I didn’t say that personally, don’t paint everyone with the same brush. I said we all have room for improvement, that goes for under 1k rated players to the top percentage of pvpers.
I was here to poke at you for whispering, not saying l2p. 
I’m sorry man, the Ret damage is unjustifiable. Like I’m all for Ret viablilty, I play with a Ret myself in 2s and 3s. But last night we got into a 3s match and he literally triple killed the entire team by critting 180k radiant decrees on everyone at the same time. Basically the Mage insta blocked, the Warrior ran away and the Prevoker went to 20% HP and I just turned to him and kill shotted him dead. This isn’t logical damage at all.
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