Blockquote Perhaps the best way to understand loot council is to recognize that it’s basically an inefficient form of DKP.
Your understanding of loot council is incorrect right off the bat. Maybe from your stand point it’s less efficient, but from mine having actually used a loot council during classic, it allowed us to place the gear where it would help the raid the most.
This meant Tanks had prio on every tank piece, as a Fury warr who had to compete with them for some pieces of gear I am more than OK with this, Tanks are a higher priority in raid to Fury Warriors like myself. It meant my personal loot suffered early on, but were now a couple months in and I am among the best geared Fury Warriors on the server and we spend less time in MC than most. To me this is a huge win, it was worth waiting for my loot.
On the flip side I have recruits who wish to join my guild complaining about all of the sub-optimal loot choices being made in their DKP systems. It’s great from an individual stand point, as the person as full license to spend as they wish, but if the gear is going to places it’s going to have the most impact for an individual, it’s very possible that isn’t the best for the raid.
Also no one can decide to “Cash out” and quit in a loot council guild. Ive seen plenty of ppl save DKP blow it and Gquit. I would rather just not deal with these people. You don’t need to add more ways to lose your loot in classic, lol.
Loot council is the best way to do things if you want to push progression, to help your raid team as a whole, or to please the GM’s girlfriend.
I’m assuming equal players. This is 15 year old content. A lot of us have done BWL so many times we could do it blindfolded. The difference in those kind of players clear speed is going to come down 100% to luck on RNG loot drops, crits/hits during the fights themselves, and who gets targeted by certain mechanics.
My co gm has a horde character he raids on too. His guild horde side is dkp. They forced a warlock to use dkp on an item that wasn’t an upgrade. His prebis was actually better. We use loot council and it works out great.
My guild did loot council right back in BC to Wrath. We had the GM and 3 officers but we also created a role called “Loot Council” that we added 4 new people to each week. This ensured we had an even amount of officers to raiders voting on who should get the loot. No one complained and it worked really well.
That’s another problem with DKP
They never just let it be DKP they wanna play pretend loot council when they know nothing about gear lol
Loot council is fine as long as it’s kept pretty open. If the loot council is small and they don’t really answer many questions on loot council decisions then there may be some corruption.
Our guild brings in two random guild members into the loot council each week. In addition we have officers, role and class leads involved in decisions. When all else is relatively equal we have the relevant players roll.
Loot council isn’t perfect, but neither is DKP. Every loot system has its flaws and can be exploited. At the end of the day it’s more about the people using the loot system than the loot system itself.
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Dkp has always been a tried and true system, loot council seems to be more complicated and carries more drama with it, then dkp system. From what ive seen.
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fair enough. imo dkp is just generally a more fair ideology is all
I mean, not necessarily true. Once you start adding in all the rules and extras you need to address the shortcomings of DKP, it’s pretty hard to wrap your head around too.
I’m a big proponent of just rolling it all off myself, like Suicide Kings.
That said, I dont care about progression either. I haven’t been a tryhard since the end of TBC. It was burning me out to always try and be on the cutting edge. Now I just play for fun. Spec, gear? IDC. I just roll with whatever comes my way.
Spend more time farming consumeables and drops trying to be the best than you do just jacking around with friends. Wasn’t for me anymore.
It can be. But it can also not be. It all depends on how it is implemented.
If I’m not mistaken, raid performance is often not a consideration in many implementations of DKP whereas it is very often a consideration in loot council. DKP often doesn’t reward players for doing much more than showing up on time and staying for the duration of the raid.
lol have u ever tried to make a DKP sheet with decay? hahahahahaha
Trust me loot council is a LOT simpler
DKP guild officers spend more time with those excel files than they do playing
edit - and guaranteed whatever terrible guild leaders put in DKP will wanna loot council it up
Loot council was used by “serious” raid guilds almost exclusively for a long time before they removed master looter in BFA. It’s theoretically the most efficient way to handle loot. The problem is it relies and the council members not only acting in the best of the guild, but also knowing everyone else’s BiS and properly distributing all gear to the people who will help the raid progress the most.
Some people take themselves too seriously. Unless you’re pushing for world/server firsts I don’t think it’s necessary. It causes more drama that it helps the guild in my experience.
i see where ur coming from but i just dont think its very fair that some rando irl nerd friends running a guild taking all the loot is helpful to a guild. dkp is just fair in its entirety to me its what im used to and loot counsel seems to be a scam
That’s why you have combat logs, consume lists, and pre bis lists…
If you can’t articulate why you’re better or should get more gear than some one else…You’re bad
And have no way to know whether or not some one is screwing you
Trust me with DKP i could ruin you every time you wanted a piece…lol
good loot council guild is a guild you know you can trust
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As opposed to what? DKP or open rolls? Loot council has always been the most sensible way to distribute loot, and DKP has always been the worst. Open rolls is for PuGing, which most people do for MC, but good luck getting a bunch of PuGs to Rag, much less downing him.
You can roll on stalagg brah…I have cleared mc with 4 different pugs.
All at around an hour
ALthough IDK if there will be any that even attempt BWL early
Why would you ever join a guild if that’s the case
That definitely isn’t a feature of Loot Council. That’s a feature of bad guild mates who would be bad regardless of loot system.
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Pugs clear rag just fine.
I’m a proponent of very simple systems, like suicide kings.
Loot council is the most vulnerable to corruption so I don’t like it. DKP has to become overly complicated to deal with it’s shortcomings, not a fan of that either.
Every system has its pros and cons.