There are many Horde who would have preferred to blow up Dalaran and left Teldrassil alone. But yeah, about as many Horde wanted to destroy Darnassus as there are Alliance who really really want to destroy Thunder Bluff.
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NO! but what about the tauren cheese?
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Hereās a hot take:
The Horde doesnāt owe the Alliance anything.
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And Kaelāthas was the legitimate Prince of Quelāthalas. Whereās the written denunciation and apology for joining the Legion, and trying to summon Kilājaedan?
We donāt need one. The Blood Elves and the Horde helped stop him. Just like the Humans and the Alliance helped stop Arthas.
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How would sending her to face her greatest fear (i.e. the afterlife) not be demonstrating that her actions have consequences?
Do you seriously think Blizzard would restore Undercity while leaving the Night Elves without a capital? I donāt. It will be both or neither.
People keep saying this, but the Alliance leadership were saved by ā¦ other Alliance leadership.
To be fair, the Blight kind of does whatever the writers want it to do. They explain this by saying there are many different strains of it. We wonāt know which kind was used at Lordaeron until they tell us.
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Echo Isles, fully reclaimed; Gnomeregan, only the top floor reclaimed.
Bilgewater Harbor, built shortly after the Goblins lose their home; Gilneas, still abandoned, and now the Worgenās secondary home is burnt down.
Itās a bet Iād take. And I hate gambling, because of the risk factor involved.
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Gnomeregan is huge. The top floor is about an equal-sized zone to the full Echo Isles. (Plus, Gnomeregan is a bit of a unique case because itās also a dungeon.)
That one Iāll give you, but ISTR the devs saying it had something to do with the Alliance having more cities to start with (anyone have the source?).
Anyway, neither of the places youāre talking about are full capitals. Echo Isles and Bilgewater Harbor donāt have any of the amenities of a capital cityāno bank, no auction house, etc. The two sides have always had the same number of fully-developed capital cities, and Blizzard would be greater fools than I think they are to change that.
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The point of the thread is to debate what would make Alliance players feel justice was served for Teldrassil, with one of the favorite ideas Iāve seen being the obliteration of another Horde city.
And sure, burning a city is not equivalent to burning innocentsā¦ but do you really think if the Alliance was to raze a major Horde settlement no innocents would be harmed?
Sylvanas and her underlings are the ones that should be brought to justiceā¦ thereās no need for another catastrophe like Teldrassil to happen to any race/city.
What Iām hearing is you want a half baked half city. How about the new Wogen-NE capital is the big dream tree grove in Duskwood?
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The death of Tyrande and Malfurion those two ding dongs always getting lost and we have to help them all the timeā¦Problem solved.
Oh, I donāt think anyone is getting full gameplay capitals anymore, for Blizzardās own silly self-fulfilling prophecies.
But lorewise, in terms for races having a place call their own, be it a hub, or a capital, or whatever, the Darkspear have been allowed to reclaim the whole of the Echo Isles. The Gnomes have reclaimed an absolutely miniscule part of their city. Itās really more like a foyer before the city, than any part of the city proper. Likewise, the Bilgewater have their own nice, terraformed slice of Azeroth, while the Worgen are now doubly destitute.
While Iād like to think the backlash from the Night Elven fanbase will lead to them getting something, what Iād actually place real money on, at this point, is the Forsaken getting a new hub. Complete with a rousing speech from Calia/Nathanos (depending on how things play out) about a new dawn for the Undead.
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What I wantā¦
punches wall
Is my Tree backā¦
(What Iāll actually get, what Iāll accept, and if my expectations for the two can be resonably reconciled, however, is another matter altogether.)
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On paper theyāve been described as absurdly OP as the people who have defeated them have been in game. Thatās sort of the entire problem. OP only gets to happen in the Kaldorei context when its someone utterly breaking them. To show stakes.
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Sorry, but cowering behind ābut muh daddy didnāt teach me!!!ā is NO excuse. Precisely itās under pressure when the exceptional leaders shine through, cause they then prove to everybody their integrity and strength are indeed a motivation to move on and overcome the disasters plaguing the population. Bolvar was able to do it, Tyrande and Malfurion were able to do it, Lorāthemar was able to do it, Thrall managed quite decently for someone that was a slaveā¦ Are yiu telling me this human princess was indeed so mediocre and useless she couldnāt manage when other people in similar circumstances could? A human raised as royalty?
Pffffā¦
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You miss the point, Iām not demanding an apology from the Alliance or another useless inane thing like that, Iām merely pointing the irony of a poster coming out to tell us the elves of Quelāthalas not āhaving suffered an invasion with catastrophic consequencesā with a straight faceā¦ I mean, come on dude!!!
So, are we gonna play the double standards and selective lore game?
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Warning: TV tropes.
~https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheWorfEffect
"Want a quick way to show how dangerous one of your unknown characters is? Simple, make them do well or win in a fight with a character that the audience already knows is tough. This establishes them as willing to fight and marks them as sufficiently dangerous.
āFor new villains, itās common for them to pick up the toughest character among the heroes (usually The Big Guy) and hurl them across the room or otherwise take them out in one blow, thus showing that they are the real deal.ā
It wasnāt done in WoW by a playable faction, so I guess it doesnāt count. (And to be fair, I can see how having it done recently and by a playable faction might feel worse or at least more immediate, to the person who said that.)
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That I agree with you on, hence me glossing over it. My contention is the notion that Arthas was some kind of Alliance-aligned crime against the High Elves, when he almost singlehandedly destroyed the Alliance of Lordaeron before he even turned his attention to Quelāthalas.
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If youāre talking about Calia she wasnāt raised to rule, she was raised to be sent off in a political marriage with nobody ever expecting her to rule. Her only impact in the lore before Before the Storm was almost being married off to Deathwing in disguise. And the priest order hall but I donāt think she did anything too important there. So Iām really not surprised she isnāt the best leader and didnāt think things through in the novel.
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I get where youāre coming from, and I agree that the āwho suffered moreā game is a dumb game with no winners, but apart from that I gotta say I see things a little differently. As a long-time Night Elf player and RPer, I have a huge emotional stake in that race and their culture ā and this was by Blizzardās design. Theyāre telling a story, and yeah, that story is being represented in-game by pixels, but the whole point of a story is to make people feel things. It was a gut-punch doing the burning of Teldrassil quests, where you were given a timer and a counter ā how little time you had and how many people you had to save, and how few you actually could no matter how hard you tried. It was intended to hurt, it was meant to make the player feel the tragedy that the Kaldorei were experiencing. And it did hurt. I did it on several alts, and each time made that ache a little worse. Itās even moreso if you read the novellas. And Iām not alone, not by a long shot.
So yes, hundreds of Horde players, real people who identify with the Horde, are having a bad experience, and I wish it werenāt so. But hundreds of Alliance players, real people who identify with the Kaldorei, are also having a bad experience. It isnāt about the NPCs, itās about the story that Blizzard is telling, in which we have lost a staggering number of innocent lives in a nightmarish fashion ā mothers, fathers, children, innocents burned alive in their homes.
A good ending wonāt fix that either.
And the person youāre replying to didnāt say that the villainous turn the Horde has taken this xpac is pandering to all Horde players, only to a certain type, and Iād argue thatās correct. I certainly see plenty of Horde players on the forums who are thrilled to be supporting Sylvanas and committing genocide - some because they like playing the bad guy, some because the player actually hates Night Elves for some reason (arguably thatās weirder than being invested in a story).
So yes, āwho suffered moreā is a dumb game with no winners, but donāt assume that your side is the only one with āreal people who identify with theā faction or race theyāre playing.
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