there is no quantifiable way to quote “repay teld” You all destroyed the forsaken’s home of undercity, and they are living on the streets of org. It sucks for all parties involved the horde player wanted to be the winners of the first battle in BFA and capture teld from the night elves not burn it to the ground, and the alliance wanted to retake lordearon not watch it consumed in blight. instead two of the most lore significant places in game are now holes in the ground. You are not entitled to a “repayment” we aren’t responsible for the poor writing of this story the horde gets the “you’re heartless monsters” narrative shoved down it’s throat enough without the entire alliance community helping. Sorry for your tree but at least you got an awesome story and warfront about retaking darkshore not a bunch of undead refugees in org counting how much copper they have left for food between them.
Sylvanas did that. She’s done more to harm the Horde than the Alliance have this expansion. Even the Alliance invading Dazar’Alor only resulted in the Zandalari committing fully to the Horde.
Sylvanas dies along with all of her Val’kyr. Forsaken lose the ability to make more Forsaken.
The Nightelves finally renounce their allegiance to the pitiful Alliance in order to join the Horde. ![:relaxed:](https://d38bqls1q93fod.cloudfront.net/en/wow/images/emoji/twitter/relaxed.png?v=6" ":relaxed:")
What about a follow up to Darkshore?
But for Ashenvale.
remake that area into some sort of pvp zone. Maybe have towers like the new fortresses in the new Warsong Gultch that are present.
Like a world pvp Warfront.
Let the Alliance “retake” ashenvale and revamp the whole zone.
We will never get to burn down Orgrimmar but at least we would have two NE zones revamped with cool content.
The best payback is completely ignore Trisfal Glades. its completely pointless zone now.
We haven’t retaken it, it just goes back and forth, and no, we don’t have a bunch of undead refugees counting how much copper they have left for food between them, we have a bunch of Kaldorei refugees counting how much copper they have left for food between them.
lol Odyn. Scary.
No, the Alliance did that.
They wiped out the zone, and forced Sylvanas to nuke her own city in a last ditch, and failed, attempt to take out the Alliance leadership with it. But it was already doomed, one way or another.
You can’t blame the Alliance for Sylvanas deciding to kill her own people and destroy her own city. That’s just as ridiculous as burning down a city because someone pointed how dumb you are.
Yes you can, it’s called Scorched Earth.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scorched_earthJust because it’s a military strategy doesn’t make its use any better. If you ask me it’s petty and short sighted. You destroy the land and resources for what? To deny an enemy’s brief use of it? Great, now it’s unusable for everyone for a long, long time. Potentially forever.
the entire point is neither side got a fair deal out of this at all to say that the horde has to lose even more is insane. Name one A list hero the horde has left? The alliance has an absolute roster of heroes and meanwhile the horde has to sit there and go well I guess nathanos is okay…The Alliance even gets to sack ANOTHER horde city and kill ANOTHER horde leader that was actually interesting. I don’t have a lot of love for the characters they are introducing for the Horde. We have the two most powerful magic using races on our side and yet we see the alliance depicted as the big time magic users. We have Warrior races on our side yet where are our prominent Orc leaders? Alternate Grom had to be killed off because only alliance heroes get to come back from the dead, and Saurfang has to be “INSPIRED” by anduin an 18 year old human to do the right thing? Meanwhile the night elves get this night warrior buff because their roster wasn’t stacked enough and we get more edgy undead elves…No one is getting a fair deal in this but at least the alliance is getting some screen time and not having to slink around like the horde pc waiting for the part where we have to kill our warchief to save the world…
That’s your opinion and you’re very much entitled with it.
If we look at the definition of the term however, how its used, and the history behind it, the evidence disagrees with you. Case-in-point, no one blames Russia using scorched earth tactics against both Napolean and Hitler, in fact both times were key to halting both leader’s military conquests.
Well how severe was it? I mean short term unavailability is a little different to, say, irradiating an area so nobody can live there.
Again, you can’t blame the Alliance for what tactics Sylvanas chooses to employ. She has free will, she has the ability to decide for herself what to do, and because of this, she bears the responsibility of the consequences of those decisions.
Is it Sylvanas’ fault that Dazar’Alor got invaded? Or do you blame the Alliance for that? Is it Vol’jin’s fault that Garrosh attempted to assassinate him? After all, if Vol’jin had just gone along with Garrosh’s plans, there wouldn’t have been a need to kill him. Is it Thrall’s fault that Grom drank demon blood for a second time? If Thrall just hadn’t wanted lumber, Grom wouldn’t have needed to kill Cenarius. This kind of misattribution solves nothing.
How many people blame Napoleon or Hitler for the tactics Russia used? The answer is no one, because Russia’s government is responsible for the actions of Russia’s government.
Hun, Warcraft is all about the short term. You do realize that since the orcs invaded through the Dark Portal in Warcraft 1 we’re not even half a century to where we stand in WoW: BfA yes? Blight, isn’t irradiation in the slightest; the Scourge’s Plague can be cleansed instantly with red dragonfire or within less than a year with concentrated druidic effort. Even with Southshore, the Forsaken were already in the process of cleaning up the Blight aftermath. And if you really want to get into it, according to the ingame cinematic for Battle of Lordaeron, Frost Nova can also (apparently) clear out Blight easily.
History is written by the victors, and generally blame distributed as well.
I don’t understand this, doesn’t Russia’s government leadership have free will (alongside any nation’s type of government?)? My point in bringing up Russia as an example is that enacting a scorched earth policy doesn’t inherently pin the actor as the one to blame for their actions.
How likely do you think Sylvanas will be considered the victor in this war? The other Horde leaders don’t seem to be enjoying her leadership too much.
They do have free will, and they bear the responsibility for their actions. Since you brought up opinions before, but don’t seem to understand the difference between opinion and fact, I’ll give you a quick explanation of how they relate in this case.
Fact: Russia used scorched earth tactics to defend itself in the past.
Opinion: Russia was right to use scorched earth tactics to defend itself in the past.
The fact does not prove the opinion, and the opinion has no bearing on the fact. Even if the use of scorched earth was the only thing that allowed Russia to defend itself, the opinion that it was right to use such tactics can and will always be debated.
How likely do you think the Alliance will be considered the victor in this war? To add on that, how likely do you think the war is ending within BfA’s timeframe even?
This is a weird take because you’re stating the point I’m pushing forth… again. Military tactics in warfare can always be debated, especially so when the actual conflict is in-progress. The Alliance can blame the Horde for X military tactics just as much the Horde can blame the Alliance for X military tactic. As of now, there is no victor to “write the history” as it were and until we reach that point the blame mudslinging from either side will continue and be on equal footing.
you bring up a very interesting point about warfare, Sun Tzu said it is best to live off of the lands of your enemy but Julius Ceaser said I would burn all the forests and salt all of the fields before I would let one territory fall from roman control. Both schools of thought are extremely effective, total war and Sun Tzu style tactics are both very effective
Undercity is a hole, Teldrassil is just a matte painting. ![:slight_smile:](https://d38bqls1q93fod.cloudfront.net/en/wow/images/emoji/twitter/slight_smile.png?v=6" ":slight_smile:")