The point of Derek Proudmoore wasn’t to kill Jaina’s brother. It was to take out the most powerful mage the Alliance has at it’s command. If it wasn’t for Proudmoore, Windrunner would have most likely decapitated the Alliance at Lordaeron.
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Military coordination is an actual thing. If I tell my soldiers to be in position A and they go to position B and get caught out of position, they were the ones who screwed up.
So you’re admitting it has nothing to do with killing the Horde soldiers indirectly and more so that you’re just looking for reasons to go “dead lady bad.”
Do you not realize how much this actually happens in military matters in real life?
He’s a Horde asset that was relinquished by Baine to sabotage the Horde war effort. It helped the Alliance greatly.
Yeah you’re not trying to argue in good faith here.
Just be honest and say “dark lady bad” instead of posting this garbage.
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He lives in the Alliance throneroom this patch and possibly forever (due to how lazy Blizz is about updating NPCs). I feel like that speaks for itself.
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He did the right thing.
Let me put it in more real world perspective.
Baine is a german during the war.
He remembers a Germany that wasn’t like its current days. He misses those days of old.
To long has he sat by while evil men have corrupted his homeland, he knows about the genocide…
He knows the government started an unjust War, the people his countrymen are fighting, are not his true enemy.
This war that has caused so much death, needs to end before Germany has no hope of recovery.
He hears about a plan dealing with a captured American soldier, to break him down via torture methods and brainwash him to assisinate a family member in the high ranks of the USA military.
Finally he decides to take action and free him. Yes he will have to kill some fellow countrymen, but he knows these Germans are supporters of the party, the ideology that caused this whole mess.
If this man was real, he would be viewed as having done a heroic thing.
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Yet they still be left with the most powerful Druid(Malfurion), Priest(Velen), Void Ranger(Alleria), Engineer(Mekkatorque), and Paladin(Turalyon) to contend with. Jaina isn’t that much of a victory when the Alliance has lods of other potential superheroes they can pull from.
If it wasn’t for Windrunner, Lordaeron would still be standing and the Horde wouldn’t be throwing lives away at a losing war.
Let me reiterate this; Sylvanas is the problem, not Jaina, not Baine, not Saurfang, and most certainly not Anduin.
Military coordination sure as hell wasn’t a thing at BfL. Soldiers were defending their city and all of sudden they get mulched by blight.
No retreat order, no change in military formation, no warnings, just blight.
Now please explain to me how it’s the soldiers’ fault for getting killed by something they had no idea was coming? They weren’t even equipped with so much as gas masks before the fight even started or even warned that there might be blight usage.
I mean, I wouldn’t be saying “dead lady bad” if she wasn’t actively harming the Horde with her foolish antics. Just because you mock people for reiterating the same basic message, doesn’t make them wrong.
The Dead Lady IS Bad.
Sure bombing Hiroshima and Nagasaki knocked Japan out of WW2, but it doesn’t mean it’s a good thing that we nuked hundreds of thousands of people. We don’t simply accept collaterals as simply casualties of war, we’re still accountable for the innocent bloodshed, we still mourn the losses that could’ve been avoided.
No, he’s a dead Alliance asset that the Horde stole in a misguided attempt for military gain. It didn’t give the Alliance any military benefit at all, since he didn’t actively participate in the war after he was returned.
Baine helped the Alliance, not Derek.
Oh, god knows I try, but with “loyalists” it’s virtually impossible since they’re so deep in denial that Sylvanas ever was or would be a remotely good Warchief.
Isn’t that what I’m doing?
You wouldn’t be calling my posts garbage if I joined the chorus of Sylvanas foot rubbers and fart sniffers, and decided to blow smoke up her butt instead.
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Oh no those poor fascist forsaken soldiers what will we ever do.
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“Waaaah people like a character I don’t and don’t agree with my opinion about them waaaaaah”
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If she was a good warchief she would have won the war
All a Warchief needs to be a good Warchief is to kill Alliance.
And we got plenty of that.
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You do realize this applies to a lot of Sylvanas fans, too, right?
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Reminder: Sylvanas was so powerful that the Honor Traitors and the Alliance were both worried they didn’t have enough to take on her loyalists and the only reason they “won” was because Sylvanas called them poopoo heads.
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Yeah, and they annoy me too.
But it all just seems so self-righteous and funny coming from the ones who don’t, doing their best to try and insult everything Sylvanas fans have liked while constantly fantasizing thread after thread about their favorite ways to have it all thrown out of the game just because they don’t like it and then acting all hurt over the fact that “loyalists” or whatever don’t fall over themselves to agree with them about it, acting like some naive colonist confused as to why the native people don’t want them there.
Like come on, this is just pathetic.
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Reminder: Sylvanas loyalists players saw inside Orgrimmar and put in efforts to try suppress people inside Orgrimmar that did not stand with her, so Sylvanas did not actually have as much support from the people as what Alliance and Honor Horde players saw outside the gates.
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In theory, sure, he’s great and noble. But the presentation was seriously botched from the point of view of Horde players. It’s probably easier for Alliance players to be charitable or even be charmed by his actions.
I’d respect him so much more if he hadn’t kept quiet for so very long and through so many other events that should have caused him to rebel, only to finally decide that this is the thing he can’t abide.
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So you’re saying suppressing traitor civilians somehow means Sylv’s supposed army that the traitors know exists from traitors like Eitrigg feeding them info wasn’t strong enough to fight off the combined Alliance and Traitor army?
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Who cares?
Why does it matter if it was good or not?
Even if it was a good thing to do, we never should have been forced to help out Jaina either way.
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We still hear people outraged they were forced to help Thrall and Thrall wasn’t actively trying to kill them multiple times during Cataclysm.
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You don’t have to care. I’m just saying that Desolina isn’t wrong. And if it had been handled better, a lot more of us would probably love Baine for what he did.
If it hadn’t been Jaina’s brother.
If it didn’t require working with Jaina.
If Baine hadn’t stood by with minimal grumbling through a bunch of larger and worse events.
If it weren’t the second Horde rebellion in four expansions.
If the whole war were … I don’t even know what would help there. But the way it did happen didn’t work.
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It also would’ve helped if we didn’t immediately know how the expansion was going to end from the moment they announced it because of how predictable the writers are.
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I don’t know which side would have won the battle if Saurfang hadn’t challenged Sylvanas alone. However, it is less surprising that the rest of the Horde inside Orgrimmar turned to Thrall and Zekhan when Sylvanas already had lost the support of more people inside Orgrimmar even before she called the Horde nothing.