So, I just did the questline that involves Baine freeing Derek Proudmoore from Sylvanas’s custody. He yelled the whole time about what Sylvanas was doing was dishonorable and he couldn’t live his life without being honorable. But in order to rescue Derek, he had to kill a bunch of dark rangers and take the keys from three different captains on board the ship in the dead of night. So, what? It’s dishonorable to deprive Derek of being able to see his sister, but it’s perfectly okay to kill his own troops and conspire with the enemy?
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I believe it’s not so much that as it is the creating a Manchurian Agent part.
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The guy spares those that surrender, to his own detriment. He also returns for punishment after he free’s Derek, so its not as if he didn’t know what he was doing.
His biggest issue seemed to be not so much Derek himself, but how Derek clearly represented Sylvanas discarding even the most valued Forsaken cultural belief; free will. And … if she was willing to do that, the likelyhood of her giving a crap about any Horde value was very slim. He also does explain that he’s having a harder and harder time ignoring that the Tauren’s patron deity is dying for what amounts to a war with seemingly less and less value for the Horde.
Plus, Sylvanas just used the Horde and Forsaken as cannon fodder in a World War designed exclusively to create as large a death toll as possible; on both sides. She killed loads more Horde troops than Baine … and for apparently entirely selfish reasons.
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Baine “burning night elves is true to ourselves” Bloodhoof
Baine “upset a human and I’ll kill all your crewman” Bloodhoof
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Nelfs aren’t people like you or me, my human brother.
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I’m more related to him than you are. We both turn into hairy beasts. Check and mate.
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“Meesa owesa Jaina and Andy a life debt.”
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Didn’t you get the memo? The Worgen transformation is equivalent to putting on a fursuit. It’s totally different than turning into an actual cat.
The Gilnean authorities have declared Gilneas as a HUMAN nation.
“Mebbe weesa be friends… MRGLBRLGMGRLMRGL!”
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Darth JarJar will not infect these forums.
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That’s discriminatory to my wolf bros! Sorry I’ve been overexposed to Vaughn.
So does that mean Vulpara are just Goblins cosplaying as Worgen?
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She was basically the same as Garrosh. A villain Blizzard used the Horde as a launching board to put in the spotlight and then used some drivel to try and pretend they didn’t flush the Horde’s narrative down the toilet for the sake of launching said villain. They said that this would be about the Horde reflecting on itself but frankly the less of the Horde turned on Sylvanas because of her behavior than turn on Garrosh. This time round they turned on her because she said a mean thing to them.
That makes the Horde either pathetically stupid or blatantly two faced.
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Flip a coin with this writing team and you can be right either way.
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There was quite a long thread about this when that quest first showed up. You might find it interesting, although I don’t think anyone ever came up with a good answer beyond “Baine just loves Jaina that much”:
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Gnomes. This is the origin of Vulpera:
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No.
Just…
No.
Honor is a lie the Horde tells itself it has so the elderly can sleep at night.
Baine has been itching to join the Alliance since he was born. He saw an opportunity to get in one of their leader’s good books again and he took it. Damn the consequences.
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Why is deliberately killing, like, 3 Forsaken personnel and sparing the rest crossing the line for you, but indiscriminently murdering numerous soldiers of all Horde races with blight and raising them into mindless drudges acceptable?
Double-standards much?
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Or, and stay with me, both of them are terrible. Further, while both actions are reprehensible, one is an ends-justify-the-means act in the heat of battle. The other is Baine slaughtering Forsaken because Jaina. And a really vapid sense of honor.
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