Here’s a list of reparations Horde should owe the Alliance.
Surrender all those responsible for the invasion of Ashenvale/burning of Teldrasil to the Alliance, aswell as all their gold/belongings.
If those responsible choose to flee then they should effectively be kicked out of the Horde and have all their information given to the Alliance.
Surrender Stonetalon, Aszshara and all lands north of it to the Night Elves. Horde have to remove the Horde symbol from Azshara
Azshara was given as goodwill to Horde which they abused, so they deserve to have it taken away.
Tax 10% of the Horde’s GDP to the Alliance(that goes straight to Night Elves and Worgens) until every Night Elf who was alive during the burning of Teldrasil dies of old age.
After what the Night Elves endured due to the Horde, they should live like kings and queens.
All neutral zones that were previously Alliance controlled now fully Alliance controlled(moonglade, Dalaran for example), all the Horde races kicked out so any Night Elf/Worgens can have homes there.
Horde shouldn’t have any presence in neutral land while even 1 Night Elf refugee remains homeless.
Horde have to be ok with Alliance setting up military bases in Stonetalon and Theramore(rebuilding it aswell with Horde money) and any attack on them considered a decleration of war.
Horde being given a second chance does not mean they should ever have the opportunity to repeat the crimes they committed. This time if they try to invade NE lands they can be flanked from Theramore and and Stonetalon.
Sign a treaty saying absolutely no Alliance race is to be revived with Forsaken magic of any kind assuming they still can with Sylvanas gone.
No longer can the Horde twist the Alliance’s dead to fill their ranks, see how the Horde likes it when the Forsaken raise their own.
All Horde WMD like the Azshara cannon pointed at Stormwind or Undead blight that plagues the land removed.
Horde can still defend themselves, but should have no opportunity to have a mutually assured destruction option with the Alliance.
If Gallywix is ever defeated, all his riches be given to the Alliance(again to the Night Elves).
Just a final goodwill present to the Alliance. There I think those are all reasonable demands.
Shouldn’t that be up to the ones that control them, like Dalaran’s council and the Cenarion Circle? Weird to be so casual about removing their autonomy.
What is Forsaken magic? Do you just mean necromancy?
And are the people of the Alliance not allowed to choose to become undead if they want?
I’m sure they can. They easiest way now with the Nightmare (even though it’s receding) is with the portals.
I actually forgot about the Hinterlands and Grizzly Hills.
Then they should keep Kharnum’s Glade. No big loss.
How was it not diplomatic? I did say that I would prefer if the horde didn’t get to use Moonglade but in terms of the armistice only the tauren and Darkspear should get to use that location, locking then out of Hyjal. How is that not fair, especially considering that Hyjal is going to become the new NE home and the Zandalari have no prior standing with the Cenarion Circle and have been nothing but trouble for both factions from day one?
I remember thinking back during the middle of BfA, that this might have been an interesting ending.
Have the Alliance win. The Horde surrender claims to the Arathi Highlands, Darkshore, Ashenvale, pay reparations, and agree to some disarmaments. And they send monitors/occupying troops into Orgrimmar and other capital cities. Thrall, Baine, and Lorthemar see it as a chance for peace. However, there’s resentment among some members of the Horde and there are occasional attacks against Alliance.
And you can have different factions within the Alliance: Anduin and Jaina arguing that this is enough. Another faction, which has the sympathy of Tyrande and Genn, argue that it doesn’t go far enough. The resistance in the Horde emboldens them to take harsher action.
Kind of a return to Warcraft 3- where the Horde are once again the relative underdogs trying to stick together while being dogged by an Alliance that has its own internal conflicts.
Have that be the setup and explore it for part of the story. Then work some Light/Void invasion stuff in there. Or send us off to another place for the rest of the expansion and when we get back home, we see what’s changed.
But the end goal is a sort of soft reboot and return to more of a Cold War state that we found in WC3/Vanilla, where the threat wasn’t about the factions being existential threats to one another, but rivalries and the general idea of open war itself- especially one sparked over a regional dispute.
After we talk about reparations for what the war brought on to the Zandlari, the assault and murder on Goblin refugees, the repeated genocidal attacks on the Tauren and the Forsaken by the Alliance. Then you can come back.
As for the Night Elves… they brought their fate on themselves. The Night Elves spent millennia banking up bad karma and the bill just came due.
Reparations are what you squeeze out of a defeated enemy. The Alliance did not even come close to beating the Horde.
Dalaran maybe, but with Moonglade it should definately be converted to a home for Night Elf refugees until all of them are housed.
How many Forsaken ‘choose’ to come back as an Undead, like less then 1%, and no, the Horde should not be able to use Alliance losses as a gain for them by bringing them back into their ranks.
As long as it’s up to the ALLIANCE races of the circle, the Horde ones should get no say.
Before they die? For whatever reason? Eh I guess.
After they die hell no?
Raising Forsaken and then giving them a choice is just evil, idk how the Forsaken race can even continue or people being ok with it when their ‘reproduction’ is an affront to life.
I wouldn’t say the internal policies, just the location. They can all f off to Silithus for all I care.
Not the way Forsaken do it, by raising innocent people from death and giving them a ‘choice’ of joining the Forsaken or going elsewhere.
Besides being Undead is a curse, a punishment by the Lich King. The Forsaken wanting to propagate this for no other purpose then to keep their race strong is pure selfishness.
But you are proposing is that the Cenarion Circle which controls Moonglade should be forced to cede it or not allow members it chooses to vote on their own decisions.
Yes, but you asked ‘before they die, for whatever reason’. Don’t you think autonomy is a good reason?
There should be 0 Horde races in Moonglade while even one Night Elf remains homeless. Night Elves allowed horce races into Moonglade and the Horde forced Night Elves out of their home, this would just be righting what is wrong.
Ok what the hell are you going on about? I’m saying that the way Sylvanas has been creating new Forsaken, by bringing innocent people back to life, or Alliance soldiers is wrong and shouldn’t be allowed under anymore.
If any Alliance race want to become an Undead? Sure they can leave the Alliance, go to the Horde and asked to be raised as an Undead on the spot or when they die, whatever.
However seeing as the Undead are a Horde race, any raising of Alliance races should be seen as an act of war.
It wasn’t the Night Elf government, it was the Cenarion Circle. The choice should be their choice. And if they want to allow Horde members to vote on that, they should be able to. It shouldn’t be up to the Alliance to dictate how the Cenarion Circle decides this.
My question was the same since the start.
And you asked this.
To which I said, because I think allowing personal autonomy is good.
Cool, so you agree people should be allowed to become undead.
I don’t see why they need to leave the Alliance, though. We have Death Knights.