What I love about "retail" wow

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Hey,

A lot of classic hype going on, and I plan on playing it like everyone else. That being said the current game and blizzard have had some negative reviews. I am not a huge fan of bfa, but I loved legion, and I want to mention things I love. That classic does not have.

1- Death Knights, the lore, everything about them I wish this class was shipped with classic.

2- Allied races, omg do I wish this was introduced a lot sooner. I love my Dark Iron Dwarf. I wanted one so bad in Classic.

3- Rated PvP- There were no rated pvp in vanilla and the vanilla pvp system to be fair wasn’t very good. I loved classic in general, the epicness of the dungeons, but pvp honestly isn’t very good. World pvp and the bgs are fun, but the honor grind is not.

4- The lore- Not to a major extent, but I like trying to figure out why sylvanas went all crazy and burned down a tree. If the alliance will finally capture her, the cng is really good. The tech didn’t exist back then, but I enjoy it.

5- Mythic Dungeons- I enjoy them, with friends the group finder is toxic, but since classic there was no group finder, a brd + 5 would be insane.

6- Pvp Talents- I would love the old talent system with end game pvp talents to choose from, the best of both worlds type of feel.

7- Transmogg - by far if the classic community would bend on it would probably be transmog. We all want to look cool right?

8- Black market auction house- cant get tcg loot or appearances without them

9- Achievements- This is a double edged sword especially to pve elitist, but it proves that you did things before the rest, nothing more.

10- Pet battles- I have a 6 year old that has started to play wow and just pet battle, Overall it doesn’t effect overall game play and adds another game mode to a huge reaching game already.

I love classic and I like retail, in the classic hype, there is nothing wrong with pointing out things I like about current wow.

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Yeah I agree your list has a lot of things that are good. I enjoyed each and every one of those when introduced. But I don’t like where class design went for several of my most favorite classes.

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Refreshing to see someone not bad mouth one or the other and just list things they like about Legion even since Classic threads filled the forums as of late.

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Sometime tho not having something in it means that other things have more value.
Like the reason Classic doesn’t need pvp talents is that you already have all your spells. Do you really want to play a nerfed version of your class in pve? And like you said BRD+5 would be horrible, because Classic dungeons are complete without needing the m+ system, dungeons right now are a joke without the affixes.

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In other words, nothing that has been innovated or really improved upon in the last 2 to 3 expansions?

All of those things were introduced or at their peak from expansions implemented years ago. That’s the problem with retail. None of the new content is made for people that want to play WoW, it’s aimed at the mobile game generation. Shallow content, instant rewards, guaranteed win conditions, and minimal depth

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the allied races are bfa, and they are fun I really like the feel of dark iron dwarf it adds to my character imersion

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Right, but new races were not a BFA innovation. The artificial grind to getting them was, but iirc no one really enjoyed the grind.

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You know, there’s a franchise about collecting different imaginary creatures, that its combat system is basically rock-paper-scissor. It started in 1996, and till this day it is still one of the most anticipated franchise across the world.

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it really wasn’t to bad. it coulda been worse, the naxx attunement was worse in classic.

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I have 0 interest in ever touching Classic WoW, and most of these reasons are why. Primarily though, I like moving forward and advancing. I roleplay as well and collect, so the only place for me is retail. That said, I hope the game does improve, otherwise I’ll likely just go. I have no interest in any legacy servers myself.

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Always moveing forward never backwards for the win!

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The only thing i miss from classic is the community of each server and overall better sense of progression when leveling. And that’s it. I kinda agree with your points too.

I do find funny too when paladins/priest/druids say how their class was cooler in classic or how more balanced the game was lol. Horrendous gameplay.

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Yeah, sometimes I wonder if those people played the same game as I did.
There were only 1 viable spec for each class. Only warrior can tank. We had so many skills that filled our bars, but only ended up using a couple of them. We had so many talents points, but only one way to spend them.

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Some of the items in your list are debatable

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Flying baby

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My brother and I spent over a month doing 2v2 pvp to earn the Hippo Mount. Over 400 games, we came close to 1800 rating but changed our comp several times.

Nothing about that Hippo was instant, and there wasn’t any gaurantee in winning those arenas.

Ironically that Hippo Mount felt much more rewarding than the Gear we obtained in BC’s arena where we literally could earn epic gear by simply afking at least 10 games a week.

We get it, you hate retail. Nobody cares.

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Everything in Classic’s list is also debatable.

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I’m not bad mouthing classic but I believe it’s just all fake hype/nostalgia with it going around. People have been playing bfa for how long, also legion which wasn’t the worst but it wasn’t the best either. People want a change of pace and they’re remembering their fond experiences of vanilla.
I think that’s going to disappear pretty quick and for the casual player base even faster because they’re spoiled/entitled when it comes to completing tasks/leveling/gearing in live and expect to get handed gear for little to no effort.

I’m not saying I hope classic fails or anything but judging by how spoiled/entitled the majority of the player base is they’ll get tired of the gear system pretty quick.
The game is a lot slower paced which is good but not so good for those that are more accustomed to live and never played vanilla.
The improvements/quality of life enhancements aren’t there. I personally hope they don’t allow addons to a certain extent. I would like to see how pissed off people get without having a quest marker on their map and actually needing to read the quest text.

I mostly miss zg/za raids, but the gearing and how everything worked was a lot slower than it is now. I remember going 3 months without a meaningful piece of gear.

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To each their own man. There’s something epic about being the top of the food chain on a server specific setting.

Arena used to have that too. Highest rated rogue server, or being the only team on your realm with gladiator. you saw those mounts and you knew that guy was the sh*t. There weren’t many players running around of that caliber, especially not on random no name servers. and backwater battlegroups.

Kind of lost that fun after Tyrannical created cross-realm arena. Which, I should be greatful for. Cross realm arena meant I could finally meet partners. I got my first 2.2 right away. It’s definitely a better system. But it doesn’t have that feeling of awesomeness. Seeing that guy in durotar, or orgrimmar.

Also, PVP was more simple in vanilla. They’re the enemy, kill them. Theres something wonderful about simplicity. Gotta love the faction rivalry.

Kind of a stretch for me. Haven’t found any reason to care about the lore in this game after we defeated Arthas. Should’ve gone straight to legion after that. Legion was great. Loved that story, because it’s a continuation of what brought us here to wow in the first place.

Can’t say I give a hoot about Deathwing, Old gods, the Sha, or Sylvanas vs the world.

I actually think they’re part of the problem. The vast majority of PvP players prefer expansions where these didn’t exist. I’m not saying it’s because they didn’t, but I think their addition to the game enables class design to be splintered which led us to where we are twice now. “We’ll do whatever we want because PvP can now be tuned separately and the PvP team can clean up the mess.”

designing classes in two parts than together as one whole. seems like common sense to me.

Actually the classic community is pretty adamant about no changes. this includes transmog. the whole “clout” or bragging rights. seeing those people walk around in t2. You see those sets and you know that person’s epic.

don’t see a reason why this should be in vanilla. I think it’s more likely that blizzard re-releases a classic TCG again with the old cards, than implementing a black market AH in one of the most gold-starved iterations of WoW

Like I said, the classic community is pretty adamant about no changes. Doubt this would fly well.

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PvP is not a BFA innovation and BFA is widely regarded to be one of the worst PvP expansions.

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