This is a good point. Gnome alchemists succeeded in making blight more lethal by attempting to synthesize a neutralizing agent. So the Royal Apothecary Society (in collaboration with goblin alchemists) should succeed in synthesizing a neutralizing agent by attempting to make blight more lethal. It’s genius!
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She didn’t clear the Blight that Sylvannas later unleashed, that was a different smaller Blight that she had unleashed on the battlefield. Jaina did nothing about the Blight that was unleashed when Nathanos triggered her destruct charges.
What kind of comparison is that? 
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Darkshore is not equivalent to Trisfal, that is equivalent to Silverpine. Teldrassil is the equivalent of Trisfal and that is not even a zone anymore. Also we don’t know what the state of Ashenvale is as that is never mentioned or hinted at.
Teldrassil is the equivalent of Trisfal, but that also has Darnassus with is the equivalent of Undercity (Lordaeron City), why did you split those two up as loses for the horde when you only counted Teldrassil as one? We also don’t know what the state of Ashenvale so counting that as a gain is incorrect as well. The alliance lost an entire zone and city that you can’t even go back to, the horde got all their territory back.
Additionally there is no equivalent alliance gain for the night elves giving the horde Azshara at the end of MoP.
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I would find it cool if they create such a new empire across the mountain range from Andorhal to Alterac and Hilsbrad, with Alterac as their fortress and capital.
Then the Gilneans conquered parts of the Silver Forest, and the battle of undead vs. werewolves goes into the next round as a permanent conflict up there.
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We didn’t have a strategy for after Teldrassil burned, which was kind of the point.
Sylvanas had Saurfang draw up a clever plan to trick the Alliance into trying to start the war in Silithus, then launched a preemptive strike into Ashenvale in a blitz designed to take and hold Teldrassil.
Capturing Teldrassil was the Horde’s win condition. Their only win condition. The entire reason for the War of Thorns is that if the war started any other way the Horde would be crushed, and a war was about to start in Silithus by the looks of the geopolitical situation at the time.
So Sylvanas, who wants nothing more than to maximize the body count, burns Teldrassil and therefore burns the Horde’s only win condition.
All that is left to do is to uselessly flail against the superior power of the Alliance and turn it into a slow, grinding death match as the Horde naturally tries to slow it’s inevitable loss out of sheer self preservation.
What a great story for the Horde to go through!
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Capturing Teldrassil AND the death of Malfurion Stormrage. Both had to be accomplished and Saurfang wiffed on the second item.
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Not really. Saurfang’s strategy did not require either elven leader to die. He even thinks as much as he’s walking away.
Malfurion’s death being necessary is something Sylvanas said after the fact to justify her burning Teldrassil and framing it as Saurfang’s fault.
But given we now know Sylvanas never intended to end the war at all we can conclude she probably just wanted Malfurion dead because he’s an agent of life and she’s a servitor of death.
Plus… All of Sylvanas’ dialogue from that story is suspect given her internal monologue is an unreliable narrator in it.
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the devs: ALL WE WANNA DO IS MAKE MORE RAIDS FOR MYTHIC RAID CONTENT… THIS STORY CRAP IS ALL AFTER THE FACT AND SECONDARY! GET OFF OUR BACKS! WHO CARES SYLVANAS OWN THOUGHTS ARE UNRELIABLE!
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It baffles me that people try to talk themselves into the Horde somehow winning anything or not being in a terrible position.
We got spanked, badly, and trying to run away from it does not change that fact. Even Blizzard’s musical population numbers don’t change the fact that every single major engagement was lost by the Horde, and that the Alliance fought the whole war held back by narrative constraints.
The Horde’s weak, and trying to rationalize them into strength rather than demand they be built up and restored will only lead to an ongoing state of narrative weakness and stagnation.
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Why did the Forsaken just seemingly abandon Deathknell.
The alliance had to team up with part of the horde just to fight part of the horde, the alliance was insanely weak and on the verge of losing completely constantly except like at the end of the 8.1 raid where they fought the Zandalari trolls with the horde not even being there.
So insanely weak they won every engagement in the expansion, yes.
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Mainly because the horde had a rebellion, the alliance was on the verge of losing except for 8.1. When 8.2 came around the alliance for some reason lost whatever advantage they gained in 8.1 and had to rely on the horde rebellion just to actually be able to fight the horde.
Can we all agree that Blizz bounces back and forth on how they portray factions’ power levels to justify whatever plot element they want to use at any particular moment?
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I’m afraid I can’t, primarily because I feel that the Alliance had ups and downs in BfA, whereas the Horde had pretty much only downs.
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The Horde didn’t have a rebellion until after 8.2, after the Alliance was already winning on all fronts. This means that even when facing “calling up farmers next” the Alliance was winning the war against a Horde that was entirely still under Sylvanas control. And frankly, 8.2 didn’t change that:
The Alliance was not on the verge of losing the war after 8.2. The Alliance basically never was. Because Sylvanas didn’t even bother trying to win the war any more after Azshara was dealt with. Sylvanas made no further attacks on the Alliance, and just sat around waiting in Orgrimmar and didn’t do anything. And then she just left.
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After undercity the alliance was losing, they also had to do a sneak attack against the zandalari while literally just sending soldiers to die so they could not lose in 8.1, after the raid they were “winning on all fronts”, after 8.2 when she sunk those ships, the alliance only had enough troops for one assault on org and that was WITH part of the horde. They were done without the help of the horde rebellion in 8.2 even after “winning on all fronts” in 8.1.
Yeah, that is why they only had enough troops with the horde rebellion for one assault on Org. They were destroyed after 8.2 for no reason and needed the help of the horde to fight part of the horde, the only patch they were winning in was 8.1, they were losing prior to that and after that, only with the horde’s help and Sylvanas just screeching “the horde is nothing”.
There is nothing to suggest that the alliance was losing or that they would have lost the war if the assault failed. Not unless the naga did more damage to the alliance than the entire faction war.
If anything, it suggests that they may not have enough forces to to root her out of orgimmar, which is a highly defensible position (remember garrosh nearly successfully defended it with even fewer of the horde on his side).
Either that, or blizzard has some really weird math.
The alliance won every single engagement against the horde after UC, this is not in dispute. They won in darkshore, they won in arathi, they won at dazalor. Hell they rendered the entire horde war campaign as pointless. The alliance was either in a stalemate against the horde, or outright winning. At no point was the alliance losing.
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Or, as was the whole purpose of recruiting the navies, they didn’t have the means of transport to get their troops over to Orgrimmar. The Zanadari took even greater hits to their navy, and in turn didn’t even show up to Orgrimmar on either side at all.
“Done” with what? Sylvanas wasn’t attacking the Alliance after 8.2. She just sat there waiting for everyone to come dethrone her.
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