What happened to Tirisfal?

Yeah, I know she needed Malfurion’s help to fight Nathanos, the scenario says as much.

We don’t know where those random NPCs were, they could have definitely been there and gone to Boralus after to recruit people. That’s not proof of anything.

It’s literally stated by Anudin and then Alleria right after, I’ve linked that several times.

Blizzard employees can be wrong, and he was wrong as not every night elf involved in the warfront had black eyes.

Retroactively making X into Y after the discovery that Metzen had forgotten that X was infact X, does not mean that Metzen was not wrong. Similarly, Terran Gregory is capable of forgetting things. We don’t know enough about the night elves’ rendition of demon blood to be making bold claims about it in one direction or another.

Or they could have not been there, so they don’t support you, either. I don’t think you have anything from the lore that says that Night Elves changed from witnessing Tyrande’s transformation.

And Anduin and Alleria were both wrong.

Not the Blizzard employees who are dictating canon.

It is not a matter of Metzen not having been wrong. It is that he is not wrong now.

Everyone at Blizzard can forget things. And what the write becomes the new canon, and what they forgot doesn’t matter any more.

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It is, tho.

Check your tense. It doesn’t match my statement. Your statement is in the past tense. Mine is in the present.

On 5-11-2006 Metzen was in the present tense of being wrong.

January 16, 2007, launch of Burning Crusade, Metzen was not wrong any more.

Retroactive continuity doesn’t mean he wasn’t wrong. It means he changed the game’s story.

He fundamentally screwed up and admitted it. Why are you so adamantly being a contrarian to this point when he himself fessed up?

You and I aren’t talking about the same thing then. Blizzard cannot be wrong about their own product. If you mean wrong about having forgotten something, that’s not the definition of wrong I am using. If you want to have a conversation with yourself, feel free.

The answer is because you need something to be absolutely correct if it’s pro night elven – and Metzen sunk a hole in your argument.

That’s why I said “we don’t know”, you however were trying to use that as proof that they didn’t need to be there to get the black eyes, which is not correct.

They were right at the time, the alliance was apparently on the verge of losing, luckily for them though they didn’t have to fight because Sylvanas just blurted out “the horde is nothing”, we know the horde is fine with genocide, but if you yell that it’s too much.

He doesn’t dictate canon, he’s just the Cinematic Director for World of Warcraft. He was wrong about what you saw in the warfront because all the night elves there didn’t have black eyes.

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Calia is a crap example.

Maybe this is more WET worthy but in my own Undead centric guild I’ve a branch called the Department of Inhuman Services. They’re very much a WoW themed SCP Foundation or for a more normie refernce Men In Black sort of operation. The idea is due to the undead’s innate resistance to magical mental manipulation they handle the things that go that bump in the night.

It was sort of my answer to my disappointment with RAS. Some of the agents are wholly benevolent who capture mind melting monstrosities to make Azeroth a better place. Shadows on the wall you briefly remember that made that awful nightmare you were having go away. Others are into it to utilize those beasts for weapons against the Alliance and all TDC’s enemies. They do good for Azeroth but with a twisted motive.

That’s what I want from the Forsaken. That’s why I wrote it. It’s Undead doing incredibly shady stuff that involves horror stories but even the worst in DIS are incidentally doing good and it’s otherwise controlled by heroic undead.

That’s what the Forsaken should be. They’re never the Knights in shining armor. But they are the glowing eyes that appear behind your sleep paralysis demon and jerk it back into the closet.

Everything about them should be creepy and unsettling. But they can still be the good guys.

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Incorrect. Blizzard will write the story to be whatever they want it to be, regardless if it is pro Night Elven or not.

At least you admit that what you said before about bearing witness being the factor isn’t factual then.

Those units were not in the scenario. If you believe they were off screen somewhere that’s headcanon until proven otherwise.

There is no indication that the Alliance was on the verge of losing. Concluding that they were right and using that as evidence for your conclusion is circular logic, and functionally baseless.

Incorrect. He is Project Director for Creative Development, Story and Franchise Development for Blizzard. All of Blizzard. Not just World of Warcraft. Specifically for Tides of Vengence Terran Gregory explained the process at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aEHc8le_Qpk&t=41m41s :

    It’s interesting ‘cause going back to when we were pitching this, we were pitching this long before Battle for Azeroth had come out, we were pitching before Sylvanas: Warbringers went live, before “Old Soldier,” before any of it, right? So the audience had not even yet had the reaction to the burning of Teldrassil.


    As so I came in, Alex [Afrasiabi] had asked us to investigate what this teaser for this patch would be, and he want it to be the Night Elves coming to Darkshore. But that was like it. That was the container by which we were going to develop this firm. And that’s when I started seeing that, like, I feel like the Night Elves are going to be coming back with for vengeance. With profound vengeance. Terrifying. They were terrifying. And when they were in their element, right?- barbaric is not the right word, right? Because they were elegant, but the ferocity of which they personified. When you’re in their territory, and the lights go out, you should afraid. And that’s definitely how we approached this film.

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I didn’t say Blizzard needed it. I said you did.

I 100% agree. I’m sad that I’m not really on ED anymore, even though I still have a forsaken DK there. Your guild sounds awesome.

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You’re just projecting yourself onto others.

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I’m not the one being a contrarian about what Metzen said, chief.

I’m not the one that’s clinging to lore that is no longer canon.

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::He would look at the other thread.::
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See. Projecting.

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Did you notice how Malfurion’s eyes aren’t black, Amadis?
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