What happened to the gritty dark fantasy we once had?

Be a side gig thing anyway.

Was thinking more of making the parts and pieces and small stuff.

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Now that’s a way to approach it that seems more realistic. I’d say go for it and see how it works out.

Maybe I’d even buy your stuff? Idk.

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They’re reducing the hyper parody the game always had of grim-dark with a more cohesive story.

Not a bad thing, the newer books and lore are much more engaging.

boooooo

Best it has ever been imo.

I gotta get my werewolf head finished up first before even considering that lol

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Did you not follow the story at all my guy? We were lured to genocide the nerubians so we can fill kaz’algar with old god blood, and we did.

They are reducing the story that’s for sure!

The “hyper parody” didn’t match the politics of the time either but we are in an age where not matching the politics of the time means your story is not “cohesive” apparently.

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Damn straight.

Say what you will, but Frank Langella as Skeletor crushed it in the Masters of the Universe movie.

He didn’t have to go that hard, but he did. And he did it for us!

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This. Anytime I hear people say WoW used to be a gritty dark fantasy, I’m convinced people have no idea WTF game they’re playing.

Watch the intro cutscene for every race and the most you’ll get is generic edgy stuff in terms of how ‘gritty’ the game can get.

Warcraft is Saturday Morning Cartoons but aged up a little. Saying otherwise is fooling yourself.

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Grimdark fantasy got turned into fruit bowls unfortunately

The last time they set the night elf tree on fire for realz the forums also caught fire

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So are James Bond and Star Wars.

Saturday morning cartoons but aged up a little don’t need to be turned into Carebear Adventures though.

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Fruitbowls are essential for making any evil lords manner feel ominous when you are invited in.

Give me another tree.

I demand more things to burn.

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Wouldn’t say its reduced compared to the past which was all referencing events we had no lore background for. Its much deeper now and has many new and revamped characters compared to the flat parody is was prior.

Politics or not, the direction the game is going lore wise is helping to keep the world alive and moving. Actually moving past the same time period we have been in since what, the last black crusade?

I don’t see it as a political move or matching much of anything, just beefing up a bunch of lose or half baked backgrounds.

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The funniest part about this thread, to me, has been the mention of the puppetmaster questline being compared to Criminal Minds.

Criminal Minds being a TV-14 show.

We’re getting very dark here guys. Literally young adult novel levels of darkness.

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If I’ve said it once, I’ve said it a thousand times: Warcraft is best understood as a comic universe. It has all of the same inevitable shortcomings: wildly varying quality and tone depending on writer and story that’s subject to frequent retcons and stretching of imagination to keep a plot moving forward ad infinitum.

Once you learn to accept that and enjoy it for what it is, the complaints start to look silly.

Given the game’s rating, exactly how much darker do you actually expect it to get?

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You’re a bad dog!

Eh, it’s not all bad.
After all, it has:

  • The FABULOUS Custodians.
  • Little Kitten
  • (inquisitorial grumbling)
  • Aussie Magnus
  • Dorn: “No.”
  • Hugs from Vulkan.
  • Draigo eating a sun.

… I miss TTS.

Warhammer wasn’t the 1st or only dark fantasy in the genre and if we are going there then Gary Gygax and D&D would be considered the OG then BUT I digress WoW has lost allot its dark fantasy grit to appeal to a wider audience, the dark & grit is still kind of there just not at the forefront :v:t5:

Vulkan surviving re-entry to McCragge from orbit.
John Grammaticus style naming conventions.