What exactly is Blizzard doing?

IMO dragonflying is going to be something like an endurance bar that gets a little bit longer every timegated week, with occasional perks like increasing max speed, increasing the height gained with your leap, increasing glide range, etc.

GW2 mounts are really fun, so I remain hopeful.

If there’s that much major playable stuff that might still be cut, I think it was too early for the announcement.

Reveals are not showing everything that will be in the expansion…

Reveals are just out there to bring a limited understanding on what is to come.

Watch the Legion Reveal from Gamescom 2015
There is barely anything mentioned…

Maybe. I think the thought process behind announcing it early had to do with them wanting to generate some excitement for the game and getting ahead of the inevitable narrative that people were going to force on the expansion. Narratives like borrowed power, power-gated grinds, etc. Announcing it enables them to confirm that things like borrowed power won’t be in the expansion.

Could be. I personally hoped for more info on stuff you can actually do with your character. Not flight simulator or tradesperson RP.

Right now this just seems like a great prep for 11.0

To be honest, Shadowlands was a really small game. It just felt large because it had so many systems to keep players distracted from that fact.

I would be okay if they dialed back those systems in favor of letting the content speak for itself a little more, even if that content is a bit lacking in quantity.

Less systems yes, but replace them with epic questline, more dungeons, a few small raids, new BGs etc. Less systems and low content are just gonna lead to people being done in 5 weeks and unsubbing till the next patch.

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I would go as far as saying the literal exact OPPOSITE of what you said. Shadowlands was a large game that felt small because of artificial barriers to playing content. There are a ton of daily activities to engage with, 9.0 having probably the largest amount of daily content we’ve ever seen EVER, but a lot of people didn’t engage with it because it was gated by Anima Conductor and Covenant choice. Similarly, there are a ton of cosmetics to pursue but many could only be pursued when a given Covenant so many people just didn’t go after them. There were also four different Covenant mini-games but anyone who played only one character probably missed out on a lot of them, not to mention they were gated by Anima which was very scarce.

You can search my post history and see me talking about 9.0’s seeming lack of content and how I thought they should end the Anima drought so people could engage with the content that literally existed in the game that people were not able to play. In 9.1 people could finally play that content but a lot of it people simply overlooked as they moved onto grinding for Korthia mounts instead.

Honestly, Shadowlands is proof that they can pump out a ton of content. So why are people accepting what Dragonflight is offering, what Ion has said DF delivers, which is just Zereth Mortis currency grinding, dailies, and world quests? That sounds so lame, but people are letting Blizzard get away with it apparently because nobody else is speaking up about it.

I like the pitch of going back old school like where the expansion has no massive bbeg theme and no “or Azeroth is lost for ever” overtone.

But I’m not a raider. I think if you deal with wow is one of those “I only play to raid” you be like “meh”.

That said I agree info was light

I want to get details and maybe a trailer on new raids and dungeons

I’d like to learn about class specs, as blizzard generally changes SOMETHING about one or more classes each expansion.

Game won’t be beta until the fall I’m guessing so plenty of time for them to slowly toss out info over the next several months.

:+1:

So far I haven’t seen us getting anything “in exchange” for not getting a new game mode. We’re just getting less dungeons, the same number of raids, no new BGs, and no in-game activities, while Blizzard slowly discontinues other activities that were expected to come back, like Brawler’s Guild. We’re essentially getting “negative content” in dragonflight since we’re not getting Brawler’s Guild back and that was assumed to be a feature Blizzard would keep bringing back.

You’re not getting less dungeons. We’ll still have 8 at release. Same we’ve had past 2 expansions. I also would love a return of brawler’s.

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We don’t really know the full extent of the content we’re getting until the alpha/beta launches, but you shouldn’t expect anything short of the standard “new continent, new raid, and 8 new dungeons” we get every expansion.

When a ton of that was Asia paying $2 for a few hours of play but still counts as a “sub” on their quarterly report who knows.

It was always shady how OG Blizzard did that to pump their numbers to investors.

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Is this something they’ve committed to or just your assumption because that’s how it works in vanilla?

They tend to hide the power progression grind somewhere, Azerite, renown, conduit leveling. Something that’s going to take around two months of subs. Maybe it will just be gear acquisition, but I would be very very very surprised if that’s the case.

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All specs are unlocked at lvl 10.
that is when you get your first Talent point.

This is not a grind.
This is simply a revamp of the entire Talent system.

Also if you read any Interviews you would know, Blizzard wants to walk away from Borrowed power systems…

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It feels like that’s all they’ve done for the past 10 years, regardless of team size or budget: the minimum.

I mean… sometimes doing nothing is preferable to the “somethings” they do wrong.

What they say, and what they do… not always the same.

Torghast wasn’t a grind in early beta, was fun, people liked it. And they said they wanted all the systems for Shadowlands in at launch.

Well in the last minute Torghast was turned into a grind and… All the systems weren’t in at launch.

Their M.O. seems to be excessive grinds at launch, and then a X.X.1 “We hear you™” patch which tones it down.

It’s understandable because probably no one knows better than Blizzard that people will start to cancel subs once they feel they’ve completed their character, however that gets defined. So there needs to be something keeping people from that for at least a couple months. If nothing else it seems the bean counters always come in at the last minute and group think all these things in.

pulls out a pair of binoculars It looks like the Macarena…

WoW became a bad game because of all the changes. So now they are reverting some of those changes and not adding anymore new features.

Why fix what isnt broken.