There is a problem though where a lot of people think it is alright to false flag and get away with it without any consequences. I think Blizzard needs to step up there game in that.
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There are a good couple thousand quests, in-game, which will refer to the player(s) as variably as their class or as their race â but never as some unique, hybridization of the two. Thatâs a starting point.
Also, Iâve never hovered over an Elemental Shaman and seen, âElemental Weredogâ in the tooltip.
It doesnât matter what the form is, it was merely an example, use any form you want to use.
The point is that what youâre essentially asserting here is that every species in the game has a natural form, and that after shifting in and then out of a supernatural form, their species hasnât changed â excepting High Elves, who, according to you, can shift their species at the drop of a hat.
Itâs suspect, to say the least.
Uh, source for the second half?
Iâm not sure youâll find anybody well-read who disagrees with the notion of Priests and Paladins utilizing the Light in a fundamentally different way, and the rest of what I said are objective facts in-universe. Iâm not sure which part you think is headcanon, youâll have to elaborate.
I am, because every other creature in the entirety of the game from Vanilla up to and including BfA that becomes inundated by the Void experiences profound physiological changes â and Alleria hasnât. This suggests that the Void hasnât saturated her being, hasnât attached itself to every fiber of her physical body, and that like Priests or Warlocks she doesnât allow it to.
I believe, in-game, the word they used specifically was âharnessedâ â and the distinction could well be important.
And? All this factoid does is demonstrate how itâs beyond likely that Entropic Embrace (i.e. Void Form for VEâs) isnât intrinsic to their species, and in fact was taught to them by Alleria (by way of Locus-Walker).
Youâve fundamentally misunderstood something somewhere, then, because I would prefer not to see High Elf-inspired customization options for Void Elves.
Iâm exclusively interested in seeing the subtle narrative(s) that Blizzard wove into the background of the Alliance, over the last ~15 years, become available â and we donât need our own dainty or fabulous textures or color palettes for that to occur. We just need the characters.
The point Iâm driving home about Alleria is that her existence, were Blizzard to confirm that merely dousing yourself with the Void justifies being denoted as a Void Elf, sets a precedent for just tacking on said HE-inspired customization options and calling it a day. As someone on the Alliance, this strikes me as the laziest option â and considering it from the Hordeâs perspective, this would be unforgivable (because itâs basically the same thing as just releasing High Elves).
Iâd much prefer it if Blizzard would put in the extra effort and develop a circumstance wherein it makes sense for the HEâs to be turned completely into either a) Void Elves or b) something else, doesnât matter what, so long as the characters weâve grown to enjoy are present.
A simple yes wouldâve sufficed â sheâs a Void Elf, because she uses the Void. 
Youâre retreading previously discussed content, friend. 
Youâre retreading previously discussed content, friend.
Iâm reaching to presume that her shapeshifting works like⌠every other instance of shapeshifting in the entire franchise?
Iâd be laughing, if I didnât know you are dead serious.
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I am asserting the direct opposite of that??? Iâve said several times that she is a void elf before and after she shifts into her void form.
Do you see anyone else doing it? Itâs a void elf racial ability.
This is.
This is the entire point of a void elf. They are completely doused in the void and yet, remain themselves. This is the point of the entire race.
Iâm stopping here. Youâre like, using the actual plot of void elves as proof that she might not be a void elf. This kind of mental gymnastics is far above my threshold. You do you, boo.
Well⌠so farâŚ
Right after you prove 2 things.
- That anti-helfers are directly responsible for every time the megathread was locked. Since this was the original point. I was clearly not talking about the spam threads, but the megathread being locked.
- You actually have âvikingâ heritage, and arenât just butchering their culture
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I know what youâre saying, I just canât track the rationale leading you to say it â apart from, âsheâs using Void, she must be a Void Elfâ.
- You agree that the normal state of an individual is indicative of the species to which they belong.
- You agree that the supernatural state of an individual, entered into temporarily, isnât indicative of the species to which they belong (i.e. Kul Tirans donât become a new species when they shift into Ghost Wolf or Bear Form).
As we can see, in her normal state Alleria Windrunner presents as a High Elf â and since weâre both agreed that temporary supernatural states arenât indicative of anything, insofar as determining species is concerned, Iâm genuinely unsure how youâve navigated the mental gymnasium to conclude she is physiologically a Void Elf.
This doesnât really mean anything, in a discussion about narrative â especially as we just discussed how it may well be something that theyâve all (Void Elves, and Alleria) learned by way of Locus-Walker.
They were completely doused in the Void, and subsequently changed into a completely different physiological species â the only way in which they âremain themselvesâ is via their mental processes. That hasnât ever been in dispute, and frankly Iâm not sure why you brought it up because weâve been talking about physiology for hours.
If theyâd truly âremained themselvesâ, then Magister Umbric would look like the first image, instead of the second:
https://gamepedia.cursecdn.com/wowpedia/e/e8/Magister_Umbric.jpghttps://gamepedia.cursecdn.com/wowpedia/b/b0/Umbric.jpgIn fact, this is what Alleria herself had to say about the Void Elves:
ââŚthey have been changed by the Void â but their hearts and minds are their own.â
Which aligns completely with what I just wrote, above.
I know, crazy right, using the actual game to inform my opinions. Silly me, wonât happen again.
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Youâre amounting absorbing a dark naaru and mastering the void in a way that is unprecedented as âusing the voidâ.
Youâre supposing that the only outward appearance a void elf can possess is the purple skinned, tentacle-haired player character.
It does mean something in this regard. Normally, no, gameplay will not and never will trump lore, but youâre suggesting that a creatures who arenât imbued with the void can use this caliber of void magic. Itâs impossible. Literally, impossible. Thatâs the entire point of void elves.
Clearly, there is a method for elves to retain themselves while mastering the void. Alleria did not undergo the same accident that Umbricâs lot did, it could very well be that some elves donât suddenly sprout tentacles and turn purple. Iâm pretty sure Iâve saidâŚthree, maybe four? times, that this would make them no less Void Elves.
This is why itâs an entirely useless distinction to make. Void Elves will remain Void Elves. Blizzard is not going to morph Void Elves as a playable race into âTentacle Elves and High Elves who use Void Magicâ.
You are saying that Alleria has remained herself in some capacity despite historically, the Void has always corrupted, as proof that Alleria might not be a Void Elf.
The Void Elf story is that these elves have remained themselves, despite historically speaking, the Void has corrupted. Physiologically they have changed, there is noooothiiiiing that says that they canât also look like normal Thalassian elves. Alleria is proof that they can.
Youâre amounting all of these things that Alleria now experiences, including touching Turyalon, being around the Sunwell, hearing constant whispers, etc. to âWell maybe sheâs just got a Void auraâ. All of these things that she shares with Void Elves - youâve come up with alternative headcanon âperhaps maybe thisâ third hand conjecture, just to explain how she remains pale. If she were purple, you wouldnât be arguing this. There is a much simpler, much more reasonable explanation for her not being permanently purple with tentacles in her hair.
A massive void presence didnât explode in her face.
So for the final time, letâs look at this properly:
I propose that Void Elves, physiologically, do not need to have purple skin and tentacles. My proof is Alleria, who exhibits all aspects of being a Void Elf except purple skin.
You propose that Void Elves, physiologically, must have purple skin and tentacles. Your proof isâŚthe theory that Alleria isnât a Void Elf, because she doesnât have those things.
??? My theory takes what we know, and pulls directly from it. Your theory takes what we know, plugs in some hypotheticals, does needlessly complex backflips across interpretations and ultimately doesnât even make a difference because sheâs still identifying as a Void Elf and Blizzard is still identifying her as a Void Elf.
This is akin to an argument that maybe physiologically, Sylvanas and Nathanos arenât undead because sheâs not quite as rotted as the player characters and has extra powers. Maybe theyâre spirits haunting bodies and that needs distinction because possibly we could have spirits haunting bodies as a playable race.
The logical conclusion is to say that undead also include spirits haunting bodies (because surprise, theyâre undead), and allow us not-rotted models when playing Forsaken.
We at least agree on that point. The megathread should be left open and all of the debate/insults/etc should be kept to it.
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âŚand its closed again.
As usual.
Hello, everybody: Iâm BAAAAAâACK!
Now, about how everyone decide WHY having PAHEs in this game willâŚ
- totally ruin WoW forever, driving them into intense therapy.(Because thatâs what you sound like)
OR
- Hoave such a joyous magical time that we all forget to go outdoors and become That Which Has No Life.
(âŚbecause yeah we sound like that so okay fair is fair)
Skäl.
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I really hope blizz fixes the flagging issues. Alternatively they could just give us high elves.
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Prejudism?
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Ok look, she is not a Void Elf. Letâs just get past that. Void Elves are former Blood Elves who were ambushed by a Nether Prince and narrowly saved - by us and Aleria - from being completely unmade and remade into bodiless ethereal-like beings under his domination. And even though saved from that final transformation, the process was not reversed and left them all altered permanently. You know, tentacles?
She mentors them. She teaches them control. And in some sense she leads themâŚeven though Umbric is the highest ranking actual Void Elf. But she is not one of them. She is something else. Not quite High Elf but most assuredly not Void Elf. She is a unique being, and in gaming terms sheâs a unicorn.
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They dislike me based on my chosen avatar, without regard to my comments. Just read what they said. Thatâs prejudism. Change âMHPâ to âwhite maleâ or something, and reread it, and tell me how it sounds.
Its also commonly refers to Canaanites and Babylonian history.
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Thatâs a non-existent word, amigo.
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English is an ever evolving language. You know exactly what I am saying, and absolutely understand its definition. So I can say what I want.
Just a few years ago âtwerkâ wasnât an English word, but you knew what it meant. Now it is in the dictionary.
Yes you can, and yes you did.
jawah stop trying to make âprejudismâ happen, its not going to happen
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I regret that I had but one like to give to this response.
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Actually I remembered something from Legion: Didnt Alleria at the end of the Argus dungeon have the cutscene where she consumed the essence of the corrupted naaru boss from the dungeon?
So since we know this and:
- Naarus are basically beings of pure energy.
- Nether-Prince Durzaan, a void ethereal, was attempting to transform Umbric and company into ethereals for the void.
- Void ethereals arent pure void, but void corrupted.
- High elves have a long history of being biologically altered due to high presense of magic.
Wouldnt that make Alleriaâs consumption of void magic stronger than the magic cast by an ethereal?